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BREAKTHROUGH OF THE YEAR:
Evolution in Action
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| December 2005
| Elizabeth Culotta and Elizabeth Pennisi
Posted on 01/03/2006 12:16:26 PM PST by MRMEAN
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To: Dimensio
Godwin invoked. You lose the discussion.
You'll notice I didn't use the word "Nazi" or "Hitler." Furthermore, I wasn't referring to any type of tyrannical practice--simply mass self-delusion and unquestioning acceptance of the conventional knowledge.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:28:57 PM PST
by
Antoninus
(Hillary smiles every time a Freeper trashes Santorum.)
To: MEGoody
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:29:13 PM PST
by
MRMEAN
(Better living through nuclear explosives)
To: highball; Echo Talon
You don't really understand the ToE, do you?
It helps if they remain willfully ignorant of the theory. That way they can't really be accused of lying when they grossly misrepresnet it.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:29:37 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: jennyp
Your language lateralization quote intrigues me. As a strong lefty I have often commented that I have to "translate" my thoughts into English.
To: highball
It is an old tired debate and the ToE is just that a Theory.
To: Echo Talon
It is an old tired debate and the ToE is just that a Theory.
And what is a "theory"? Explain the significance of that word.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:35:24 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: Antoninus
You'll notice I didn't use the word "Nazi" or "Hitler."
Semantic games.
Furthermore, I wasn't referring to any type of tyrannical practice--simply mass self-delusion and unquestioning acceptance of the conventional knowledge.
Through the use of an inane analogy and a complete lack of any actual information regarding your position.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:37:48 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: Dimensio
Natural Selection, Mendelian heredity, modern synthesis... blah blah blah
To: jennyp
This would seem to agree with tortoise's statement that symmetry is simpler than asymmetry. More strictly, symmetry typically contains less algorithmic information than asymmetry, and therefore can be generated by simpler machinery. The more symmetry and order we find and thus the smaller the algorithmic information content, the higher the probability that the necessary machinery could be brute-forced and bootstrapped by mechanistic chance.
It would seem useful for proponents of ID to find as much disorder and irregularity as possible to support their hypothesis. All this order and regularity in nature detracts from their assertion that design is an explanatory necessity.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:39:41 PM PST
by
tortoise
(All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
To: Echo Talon
So you don't actually understand the theory of evolution at all.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:40:31 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: Dimensio; Echo Talon
"It is an old tired debate and the ToE is just that a Theory."
And what is a "theory"? Explain the significance of that word.You can click on my home page for the scientific definition.
Hint: "theory" doesn't mean "wild guess." It requires a whole lot of evidence to support it, which is why ID doesn't qualify.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:40:58 PM PST
by
highball
("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
To: Dimensio
You've been told before that scientists do not "assume" that there was no Creator.But this topic is on Intelligent Design. If you are not assuming there is no creator, are you assuming then that God is not intelligent?
To: Dimensio
the·o·ry N
Abstract reasoning; speculation
An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
To: highball
Kindly provide an example of this "evolution of the theory" having been done.Punctuated equilibrium was posited to explain why species seem to emerge so suddenly in the geologic record, followed by long periods in which the species appears to change very little. These long periods of equilibrium were once seen as damning evidence against the theory, since it usually included the assumption that evolution was much more uniform, and that species should continue changing steadily.
As a meta-argument, PE is particularly interesting, because it can be characterized on its face as predicting a lack of evidence. That is, a theory is accepted when it makes testable conclusions; so what does one make of a theory that predicts its own untestability?
That isn't purely hypothetical, of course. There are religious folks who believe that faith must, by its nature, be without evidentiary foundation. In other words, their belief in God entails the prediction that proof of God's existence must be impossible to produce, else faith is rendered meaningless.
<disclaimer> I'm a Bible believer, and I do believe that God "hides his tracks" to some extent in this dispensation. However, I do not advance the lack of proof as proof in its own right. And given the strength of the evidence for evolution today, I spend my energy re-examining my interpretation of Genesis rather than dueling with scientists. I just visit crevo threads because I like blood.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:42:10 PM PST
by
Shalom Israel
(Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
To: ThomasNast
If you are not assuming there is no creator, are you assuming then that God is not intelligent?
No assumptions of any kind whatsoever are made regarding any gods or any other kinds of creators. That isn't how science operates.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:43:34 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: Echo Talon
" Abstract reasoning; speculation
An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture."
Now try posting the first definition; the scientific one.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:43:54 PM PST
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
To: highball
To: Echo Talon
Nice selective quoting from a dictionary. From the very same dictionary entry from which you pulled your definition I also found "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena."
When speaking of "theory" in the context of scientific inquiry, that is the definition that applies, not the one that you quoted.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:45:17 PM PST
by
Dimensio
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To: Echo Talon
Look at definition number one:
A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
http://www.ask.com/reference/dictionary/ahdict/35843/theory
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:45:21 PM PST
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
To: CarolinaGuitarman
He's not the first creationist who claimed that evolution could be tossed aside simply by selectively changing out dictionary definitions of words.
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posted on
01/03/2006 2:46:20 PM PST
by
Dimensio
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