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Pakistani Describes Killing of Daughters
Associated Press ^ | 12-28-2005 | Khalid Tanveer

Posted on 12/28/2005 10:31:12 AM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions

MULTAN, Pakistan - Nazir Ahmed appears calm and unrepentant as he recounts how he slit the throats of his three young daughters and their 25-year old stepsister to salvage his family's "honor" — a crime that shocked Pakistan.

The 40-year old laborer, speaking to The Associated Press in police detention as he was being shifted to prison, confessed to just one regret — that he didn't murder the stepsister's alleged lover too.

Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such "honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators.

The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said that in more than half of such cases that make it to court, most end with cash settlements paid by relatives to the victims' families, although under a law passed last year, the minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death by hanging.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: honorkilling; islam; muslimwomen; nohonorinislam; pakistan
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Suffice it to say that most of my comments on this story would be unprintable. I'll just say the murderer has a very appropriate first name.
1 posted on 12/28/2005 10:31:13 AM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
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2 posted on 12/28/2005 10:36:05 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation...

Sneaks at the AP trying hard to equate conservatism with murderous thugs...

3 posted on 12/28/2005 10:36:23 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
THIS is the crime that 'shocked Pakistan'?

Have these people been living in a cave?

Oh, wait...

4 posted on 12/28/2005 10:37:59 AM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Birth control...Pakistani style.
5 posted on 12/28/2005 10:40:43 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (sayyy....this Al Qaida thing looks serious....)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick; Fierce Allegiance

Maybe I'm missing the point here (again) but what kind of honor does a guy with a step-sister have anyways?  And leaving the wife alive?  I mean, c'mon, if you've got any chance of convincing me it's an honor killing, you can't leave her alive.  This is a thrill kill if I've ever seen one.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

6 posted on 12/28/2005 10:40:45 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/20051203.htm

Conversion losses




By Irfan Husain

MEET Sanno Amra and his wife Champa: a middle-aged Hindu couple. They live in a small, simple but spotlessly clean home in Karachi’s Punjab Colony.

Until six weeks ago, they lived with their five children, reasonably content with their lot. Sanno worked as a chauffeur, and his wife cooked for a family. On October 18, their lives suddenly fell apart: Champa returned home from work to discover that her three oldest daughters were missing — Reena (21), Usha (19) and Rima (17) had seemingly vanished without a trace. This is any parent’s worst nightmare, but the couple’s woes had only begun.

After searching frantically for the girls, they went to the local police station where the SHO put them off without registering a case. A couple of days later, they met the deputy superintendent of police for Clifton. This proved to be the only bright spot in the entire tragic episode, for DSP Raza Shah went out of his way to help. He forced his subordinates to file an FIR, and his intervention was invaluable in ensuring the safety of the parents. And just for the record, the MQM ‘sector-in- charge’ also lent them his organisation’s support.

On October 22, a police FIR for kidnapping was duly prepared, naming three young men from the neighbourhood as the principal suspects. Immediately, Sanno and his wife started getting threats from their neighbours. Earlier they had never had any problems, although they were the only Hindu family in a predominantly Muslim locality. But now, the same people were pressuring them to remove the names of the local boys from the FIR.

Within days, they received a package by courier containing three identical affidavits signed by their daughters, stating that they had converted to Islam of their own free will. The declaration concluded: “That since my parents are Hindu and after conversion of my religion, it is not possible for me to live and pass my life in Hindu system/society [sic] and therefore, I have decided to live separately...”

According to their affidavits, the girls (now calling themselves Afshan, Anam and Nida) were living in the hostel of the Madarsa Taleem-ul-Quran, and were being instructed by a local moulvi. On November 10, a court order directed the police and the administrators of the seminary to arrange a meeting between the girls and their parents.

When Sanno and Champa finally met their daughters, they were shocked to see that they were in burqas that concealed them from head to toe, leaving only their eyes uncovered. The eyes of the youngest girl were bloodshot from weeping. At this supposedly private meeting, a dour woman was present throughout as were a moulvi and a couple of cops. In subdued voices muffled by heavy fabric, the girls said they wanted to stay where they were.

Understandably, the parents are convinced that their daughters were under pressure. In fact, they simply cannot come to terms with the notion that their children have not only abandoned them, but also the faith they grew up in. As far as they are concerned, their daughters have been brainwashed. Interestingly, the girls have cited “religious channels on TV” as the reason for their conversion.

Since their daughters left, Sanno and Champa have not returned to their jobs. They stay at home with Suraj and Arti, their young son and daughter and wait for news. Apart from their neighbours, they have also been isolated by their own community. According to Sanno, other Hindus look down on them because of their girls’ apparent conversion. Face, that most pernicious of Asian values, has been lost.

I spoke to DSP Raza Shah and asked him if in his opinion, any pressure had been brought to bear on the girls. He was sure it had been a voluntary conversion, adding that it was very possible that neighbours might have influenced them. The parents are clear that their daughters never watched TV in their presence, nor did they ever discuss the possibility of a conversion. According to Vijay, a relative, twenty girls from the Hindu community had converted to Islam in the last five years.

Talking to the parents in their simple home, I could feel their pain and their distress. “We just sit and stare at each other”, Sanno said. “For us, life is over.” Above all, they want the certainty of the knowledge that their daughters did not abandon them voluntarily. They went back to the madressah recently where they were refused access to their daughters. “Even if they have become Muslims, we are still their parents,” Champa said tearfully. The moulvi at the madressah, instead of being sympathetic, invited Sammo and Champa to convert as well.

What the stricken parents are looking for is closure: once they are satisfied that their daughters will never come home again, they will learn to live with their grief. But for this to happen, they want the girls to be moved to neutral ground like the Edhi orphanage where they can meet them without the coercive presence of moulvis and cops. But this request has been turned down by a judge.

Vijay has shared the family’s tribulations, and is understandably bitter. “Mr Jinnah had promised the minorities equal rights and protection. But it seems his promises were buried with him,” he maintains. Given the spate of conversions, some voluntary, some forced, the insecurity among the minorities, especially among Sindhi Hindus, is understandable.

Even if most of these conversions are not at gunpoint, they still take place in an overpowering environment of religiosity. Religious programmes on every private and public TV channel must leave an imprint on young minds. The need to conform at school and college where religion casts a constant shadow, must exert a subtle influence on non-Muslim students. And in a society based on faith, the minorities have been marginalized to the point where they are tempted to convert simply to get ahead in life.

But Sammo and Champa are not concerned with the larger issues regarding the place and fate of the minorities in Pakistan. All they want is justice. For them this involves being able to spend time alone with their beloved daughters, free from pressure and coercion, and to satisfy themselves that they took this drastic step on their own. Surely in a state that aspires to General Musharraf’s oft-touted ideal of ‘enlightened moderation’, this should not be too much to ask for.


7 posted on 12/28/2005 10:41:44 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: JimRed
Sneaks at the AP trying hard to equate conservatism with murderous thugs...

It's accurate enough.

Except that conservatives in different nations are trying to conserve very different things.

Pakistani conservatism tries to conserve its traditional Islamic society, which countenances atrocities such as this.

American conservatives are trying to conserve the principles of the American Revolution, which historically are very radical indeed, in reality much more radically different from past history than those of the French or Bolshevik Revolution.

But you are correct that the MSM never points out this critical distinction in what different conservative traditions are trying to preserve.

8 posted on 12/28/2005 10:42:12 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

Pakistan: Where its "honorable" to slit your 3 daughters throats. F-ing disgusting. Nuke em.


9 posted on 12/28/2005 10:42:23 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

Like my father says, being a pathologist - Islam is like malignant cancerous cells. Unless you eliminate all of them you cannot expect long term recovery. Every cell that gets away will act as a new source.


10 posted on 12/28/2005 10:47:35 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Owl_Eagle; Fierce Allegiance

Oh yeah, it is a thrill kill committed by a sick bastard who thinks he will get away with it by using that honor killing crap.


11 posted on 12/28/2005 10:48:29 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Can't you just feel the peace oozing from this report???


/sarc.


12 posted on 12/28/2005 10:52:07 AM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

The duplicity of liberalism is never so blatant as it's ability to criticize Christians as 'scary' people but never find fault with Muslims, even when they're sawing people's heads off or murdering their children. In fact, these are the folks they say WE need to be more sensitive toward.


13 posted on 12/28/2005 10:55:49 AM PST by Spok (Est omnis de civilitate.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick; All
committed by a sick bastard who thinks he will get away with it

What pisses me off is that he probably WILL get away with it. He'll get the minimum of 10 years, maybe 15, and retain his precious "honor." While 4 girls remain dead.

He needs to not only die, but die dishonorably. Perhaps drowned in a vat of pig's blood. The death penalty alone is never an effective deterrant - especially in a culture that values human life so little. Leaving these scum even more "dishonored" on their way out may make some of them think twice - provided they are even capable of thought.

14 posted on 12/28/2005 10:59:05 AM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
You know they kill women for a believed dishonor. In some cases they are wrong, but the girl is dead anyway. Yet they go and bugger young boys and that is OK.

Go figure.

15 posted on 12/28/2005 11:01:02 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: No Blue States
Pakistan: Where its "honorable" to slit your 3 daughters throats. F-ing disgusting. Nuke em.

It's digusting that some there kill their daughters.

So you want to nuke the killers and their potential victims -- their daughters.

16 posted on 12/28/2005 11:01:24 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
rights groups said Wednesday such "honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators Islam is whiped from the Earth.
17 posted on 12/28/2005 11:03:12 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

Islam, the religion of hate whose god is Satan.


18 posted on 12/28/2005 11:05:40 AM PST by Dustbunny (Christmas - Christ is the reason for the season)
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To: All

"We are poor people and we have nothing else to protect but our honor."

So, in essence, he was driven by a need to protect something. So he killed his daughters. Sounds good to me. Fewer Moslems where those came from.


19 posted on 12/28/2005 11:15:54 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Islam is like malignant cancerous cells. Unless you eliminate all of them you cannot expect long term recovery. Every cell that gets away will act as a new source.

And what is the US doing to eliminate those cells inside our own borders?

20 posted on 12/28/2005 11:26:51 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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