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4 GOP Senators Hold Firm Against Patriot Act Renewal
Washington Post ^ | Charles Babington | Charles Babington

Posted on 12/20/2005 6:58:23 PM PST by ncountylee

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To: takenoprisoner

You're repeating Michael Moore propaganda...go figure.


441 posted on 12/21/2005 5:48:59 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons; Jim Robinson; The Westerner; ridesthemiles; dalereed; Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; ...
You make very good and strong arguments and I admire you for that. The main thrust of your popular argument is that another terrorist attack would be unthinkable and bring the nation to an end! This is identical to the cold war argument that nuclear war is unsurvivable by any nation.

Your arguments assume that the FF's assumed the people to be stupid slobs without an ounce of sense or courage, ready to capitulate to the first strike of either a terrorist or a nuke event of any type.

I respectfully reject these points of view entirely!!! I believe that such events would be very much like major hurricanes, earthquakes and Liberals taking over both houses and Hitlery the executive at the same election. Very disruptive to say the least, but survivable.

By the way the FF's established the electoral college just as much for the reason of balancing the rural representation with the metro representation, to avoid the dominance we are seeing by metro-sexuals in this current day! The "One Man, One Vote," Warren Court decision that "Cows Don't Vote" making every state legislature the equivalent of a unicameral with both houses based on population only heightened the imbalance toward the metro-sexuals we see today.

So, what we have here is a dicotomy in the views of metro-easterners and rural-westerners. All you "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" in the original 13 states would cheerfully sacrifice your liberties for security. All us westerners, breathing free and wishing to continue doing so are not so sure about trusting things to government. Government, you see, when boiled down to it's purest essence... is nothing but pure, unmitigated FORCE!!!

That is why westerners prefer our individualism over the easterners bent toward socialism/collectivism. It's been an interesting thread and I thank you for making it so. Sincerely, The Waspman!!!

442 posted on 12/21/2005 6:32:32 PM PST by SierraWasp (The CAGOP is now ruled in secret by the SS!!! Sundheim & SchwartzenRenegger!!! Oh! & the Kennedys!!!)
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To: azhenfud
"As Thomas Jefferson stated, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.""

Excellent!!! You found the quote I've been referring to on this thread!!! Thank you.

443 posted on 12/21/2005 6:38:27 PM PST by SierraWasp (The CAGOP is now ruled in secret by the SS!!! Sundheim & SchwartzenRenegger!!! Oh! & the Kennedys!!!)
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To: chris1

where is the evidence???


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1544717/posts?page=160#160


444 posted on 12/21/2005 6:49:24 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: SierraWasp

Right on!

One 9/11 a month won't do terminal damage, it wouldn't even equal the yearly loss of life due to car crashes every year.

Sealing our borders and deporting or making life so miserable for illegals and their employers that they leave on their own is far more important to me than a few buildings and a few thousand people getting killed, even if that includes me getting it.

Keep government out of my life.

All social expendatures by the federal government are unconstitutional as far as I can determine. Where the Constitution says "promote the general welfare" excludes spending any money, it eludes to a state dept. function of getting on their soap box and "promoting", nothing more.


445 posted on 12/21/2005 6:53:22 PM PST by dalereed
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To: FreeReign
"Commas are used similar to semicolons when listing except semicolons are used when using complete sentences to list."

Webster's - an authority - says "Do NOT use semicolons as the equivalent of a comma." Semi-colons may only properly be used with commas if the independent clauses contain commas OR the independent clauses contain internal punctuation. Thus, to say all independent clauses enumerated in the act must be true to form a positive is simply wrong. To join the clauses and make them interdependent would require use of one of the following conjunctive adverbs; however, furthermore, nevertheless, consequently, also, besides, thus, and, otherwise, hence, moreover...etc..

Regards...

Az

446 posted on 12/21/2005 8:02:13 PM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: azhenfud
Commas are used similar to semicolons when listing except semicolons are used when using complete sentences to list."

Webster's - an authority - says "Do NOT use semicolons as the equivalent of a comma."

Webster's statement doesn't contradict what I said. I said "Commas are used similar to semicolons....except...."

The exception -- the difference -- is that semicolons indicate the boundary of independent clauses. Commas separate dependent clauses. That's the only difference. It doesn't contradict Webster's.

Section 805 is simple case of three independent clauses that conclude with the third and final independent clause using the conjunction "and". If the third and final independent clause used the conjunction "or", then you would be correct. But it doesn't...and you are not....

Regards.

447 posted on 12/21/2005 8:49:20 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: PhilDragoo

LOL, glad I'm on your 'good list' Phil!!


448 posted on 12/21/2005 9:05:45 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: dalereed; nopardons; Ernest_at_the_Beach; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester
"Right on!"

It has to do with standing and fighting for your life... Or living your life on your knees!!!

449 posted on 12/21/2005 9:21:41 PM PST by SierraWasp (The CAGOP is now ruled in secret by the SS!!! Sundheim & SchwartzenRenegger!!! Oh! & the Kennedys!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Hey Wasp, real patriots get it...We are willing to pick up a gun and kill anything that has a diaper on it's head and attacks us. Everyone living in the city fails to understand how bad it can get before "it gets better". Battle with the jihadist may be right here at home on our/your street,
BE READY!





Sam Adams best summed it up when he said," If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands that which feed you. May your chain be set lightly upon you and posterity forget ye were our countrymen."
450 posted on 12/21/2005 10:13:35 PM PST by Issaquahking (("THIS IS A BULLET IN THE HEART OF TERRORISTS" referring to a purple stained finger!)
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To: SierraWasp; nopardons
"Government, you see, when boiled down to it's purest essence... is nothing but pure, unmitigated FORCE!!!

In the hands of "The basest of men" as the Lord told us in Daniel 4:17

451 posted on 12/22/2005 6:14:30 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor; Issaquahking; et al
Amen to the basest truth!!! There have been no abuses that we know of under Bush, but the potiential for abuse by the basest of either men, or nowadays, WOMEN is enormous!!!

It ain't gonna be like that dippity do TV show they're usin to soften everybody up for Hitlery!!!

452 posted on 12/22/2005 8:36:41 PM PST by SierraWasp (The CAGOP is now ruled in secret by the SS!!! Sundheim & SchwartzenRenegger!!! Oh! & the Kennedys!!!)
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