Child Killer Was a Pothead

Accuracy in Media ^ | December 15, 2005 | Cliff Kincaid

[Mojave]

The George Soros-funded campaign to legalize marijuana has run into a problem. Joseph Smith, convicted and sentenced to death for the abduction, rape and murder of 11-year-old Carlie Brucia, has been exposed as a pothead. In an unsuccessful ploy to spare his life, his attorneys argued that he was a drug addict, used drugs on the occasion of the Brucia murder, and began his involvement with drugs by smoking marijuana. It looks like marijuana didn't have many "medical benefits" in this case.

[Uncle Vlad]

I don't do drugs and I hate Soros, but I never saw anyone who used marijuana who could pull himself out of a chair.

I agree. If this guy was the pothead they say he is, it's amazing he could find enough motivation even to leave the house.

[Protagoras]

Child Killer Was a Pothead, Mojave wrote: vegetarian.

Child Killer Was a Pothead, Mojave wrote: bus rider.

Child Killer Was a Pothead, Mojave wrote: automobile driver.

[Protagoras]

What do sin, degradation, vice, sexual promiscuity and drug abuse all have in common?

They are only practiced by human beings?

[MarkL]

It's been proven a million times that most hard drug users started out with pot. It's also known that a high proportion of criminals are drug users.

Actually, it depends on how far back you go... The #1 gateway drugs to "hard drugs" are actually alcohol and tobacco. Pot is definately a step along the way. You'll find studies that "prove" this too... But just because someone drinks or smokes cigarettes, that doesn't mean that they're going to continue on harder drugs, or a life of crime. Same with pot.

Mark

[sport]

It may not have had any medical benefits for Smith but it sure as hell had an adverse effect on Carlie.

Smith needs to be took out in the woods and killed and let the buzzards, if they can stomache the sorry sob, ear him.

[Protagoras]

Misusing quotes from people who would detest your ilk is particularly amusing.

[Cicero]

No, of course pot doesn't make you a murderer. But it does tend to make people lazy and unambitious. At the same time it costs a lot of money, and crime is one of the easier ways to pay for it.

Normally, we're talking about mugging, petty robbery, and that kind of thing. The only connection it might have with murder is that it could slightly release the inhibitions and self control that can keep people from following out their urges.

In any case, this won't disturb Soros in the least. There's no way you can draw any proven connection between drug use and the murder.

[Cicero]

I figure Soros will go right on making trouble until he's dead. He's that kind of guy. Then he'll leave a billion or two to some leftist foundation, and the trouble will continue even after he's gone. The only comfort there is that half the money will go into the pockets of the guys who run the foundation.

[MarkL]

Then he'll leave a billion or two to some leftist foundation, and the trouble will continue even after he's gone.

The best part is that although he's screaming that we (the great unwashed) need to pay more in taxes, and the inheritance tax needs to be upheld, and even increased, HIS billions are protected against those taxes!

Mark

[Alter Kaker]

Misusing quotes from people who would detest your ilk is particularly amusing.

Then I'm sure you'll love this quote:

"Hemp is of first necessity . . . to the wealth and protection of the country."
- T. Jefferson

[Dr. Eckleburg]

And marijuana lowers sperm count.

There are forces at play in the universe that want otherwise vital young men and women to become complacent drones who follow rather than lead and who do not make more of themselves.

Resist the urge to comply.

However, the Beatles were as much victims as villains. Your scope of history is too narrow and you give way too much credit to four boys from nowhere.

[Kenny Bunk]

Does jaywalking leed (sic) to a culture of law-breaking as well?

Hi Alter,
Apparently they think so in LA, where they ticket the hell out of people (visitors) for it! Seriously, unenforced, or stupid, laws of all kinds have this tendency. No big deal, really. But I think what happens is that, since self-restraint and common sense are absent in this drug issue among many of the drug-users of my acquaintance, it is somewhat more serious. For me. it's a moral dilemma. If one of my people smokes too much, drinks too much, or smokes pot too much ... too much being the point of diminished performance ... I am going to ring a bell.. not 911.

But I don't think either tobacco or marijuana should be illegal.

Personally, I lean (a bit, anyway) toward this more or less Libertarian POV. I say, "Put it to a vote. If legalization is the winner, tax it, control it, educate about it ...just like tobacco." (Well, maybe not as stupidly as they are handling tobacco, which is leading to more law-breaking.)

Marijuana is a hallucinogen? Really?
I do think marijuana's more active ingredients make it a mild hallucinogen, in that a it's been so classified, and b It alters vision in some ways. (USAF Experiments). Please note my use of the term, "MILD."

My main problem with drug use of all kinds, in my experience and observation, is that amongst the uneducated classes, ALL the drugs available, legal and illegal, are used. I have had to deal with many young working men who are drunk on alcohol, smoke marijuana, smoke or chew tobacco, take methamphetamines, smoke crack, and snort cocaine ... sometimes all within 24 hrs! Some of these things are terribly harmful, some probably not. Altogether, there is a rolling disaster underway.

Statistics? Well, Alter, my POV is anecdotal to be sure. I assure you it is not apochryphal, nor hallucinogenic. Because of my age and military service, I was absent for the beginning of the popular drug culture. However, I am having a problem with the end among many otherwise good young people who are unfit to take over the responsibility that will come to them.

[Kenny Bunk]

...the Beatles were as much victims as villains. Your scope of history is too narrow and you give way too much credit to four boys from nowhere

Dammit, Doc, you are correct. We are 'shooting the messager."

[Paloma_55]

But don't kid yourself that the vast majority of even social drinkers aren't having a drink to get a buzz.

I am not kidding myself. I agree with your assessment, however, there are two key differences between pot and alcohol. 1) Pot is illegal. If it were legal, then I would not support trying to make it illegal because it would be the equivalent of trying to make alcohol illegal. Once something is legal, it is VERY hard to turn that around. This is why I support keeping it illegal. We have enough legal vices. I wish gambling and pornography were illegal too but they were legalized in the last 50 years and now we are suffering from that. But shutting them down is virtually impossible. 2) Pot is ONLY for getting a buzz. Some might say they like the taste of a good sinsemilla bud, and I can understand why, but if someone made a totally THC free sinse-bud, it would not be very popular. Alcohol on the other hand, comes in very tasty forms that do not get you buzzed unless you abuse it.

[wildbill]

A defendant will always try to blame someone or some thing (such as drugs) for his misdeeds rather than own up to his responsibility.

Sex crimes are not caused by drugs, any more than murders are caused by guns.

[mugs99]

I think he also drove an SUV and voted for GWB

That's true. It's obvious that SUV use and voting for GWB contributed to his muderous ways.
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[justshutupandtakeit]

Robbery is not used by potheads to pay for their habits. That is the method used by junkies because coke and heroin are far more expensive than reefer and users develop thousand dollar a day habits. That is not the case with pot since there is only so much you can smoke in a day and it does not approach those numbers.

Some people can become unmotivated or at least motivated in ways not deemed socially acceptable but these are different issues from the LIE this article is pushing.

Pot does not dramatically increase violent tendencies and, in fact, acts completely in the opposite direction as your initial statement about motivation implies.

While it clearly is not a drug without negative unintended consequences it is also perhaps the least harmful of drugs particularly when compared to booze.

And use of any substance should never be a defense for murder. I don't really CARE if a killer was drunk, stoned on mj, hyper because of meth, nodding because of H. If he did it he should fry.

[Paloma_55]

The #1 gateway drugs to "hard drugs" are actually alcohol and tobacco. Pot is definately a step along the way. You'll find studies that "prove" this too... But just because someone drinks or smokes cigarettes, that doesn't mean that they're going to continue on harder drugs, or a life of crime. Same with pot.

I think that one could take your argument and conclude that the #1 gateway drug is "mother's milk" because virtually all drug addicts have used mother's milk.

The difference between cigarettes and alcohol to pot are small but measureable.

Keep in mind, a kid who uses any of the above has already demonstrated a few things;
1) Willingness to defy authorities to the extent of illegality
2) Disregard for their health

With cigarettes, there is not much of a buzz involved, but there is a strong sense of "maturity".

Alcohol provides the buzz in addition to the sense of maturity that its young users obtain.

But pot, while useful as a defiance or maturity play, is not going to be used unless someone wants to get a buzz.

So you can have kids do smokes to be adult or defiant.

You can have kids do alcohol to be adult, defiant or get a buzz.

But the kids who smoke pot are doing it to be adult, defiant, AND get a buzz. Therefore, getting a buzz is directly related to smoking pot.

Once you establish the desire to get a buzz, moving on to other drugs that do the same thing without the smell, get you up rather than down, help you lose weight, or whatever become direct paths.

On the other hand, a kid who smokes cigarettes is just as likely to go out for the football team to be adult and depending on their desire to demonstrate defiance, might just get into fights during the game or taunt the opposition.

In short, there are many elements to how a gateway drug works, but pot is definitely a gateway for those who want to get a buzz to move on to stronger drugs. Its accessability to kids makes it a major gateway drug.

[libertyman]

Did you read both of the 2 the articles?

[mugs99]

Porn was his drug - the bible and the church stuff was a cover - another "mask" he liked to wear

The mask business is booming!
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