[wagglebee]

The Fathers of the Church gave a good analysis of the relation between our fallen passions and sinful behavior. Pleasure-seeking is almost always a flight from the pain of our fallen condition, and always, just as the serpent's promise in the Garden, fails to deliver, producing more pain, and more pleasure-seeking.

Try getting the leftist to allow you to say that in a public place, especially a school, where God forbid some kid might find out that the answer to all of his problems is something other than Ritilan, Prozac and condoms.

[The_Reader_David]

Oh, and I'm an Orthodox--we follow St. John Cassian's listing of Eight Grevious Vices. Seven are familiar in the West, where they are called the "Seven Deadly Sins", the eighth is self-esteem. (Anyone who doubts it's a vice should try dealing with a classroom full of ed majors--they take offense at being made to work hard.)