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The whole premise of the Scopes Monkey trial was based on a lie. The idea that these so called missing links would be discovered has been found out to be a myth. Now that it is a proven fact that the fossil record shows creatures appearing "fully formed" as Gould put it, then no, you can't take it back.


673 posted on 12/06/2005 12:34:54 PM PST by dotnetfellow
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To: dotnetfellow
Darwin had the integrity to anticipate virtually every imaginable objection to his theory up front and stomp it flat. That is the file from which you draw your "No take backs."

You don't have the integrity to leave the poster's name in the "To:" window when replying to a post. You fear the answers. You fear the evidence. You fear truth.

Speciation by Punctuated Equilibrium. I will quote extensively since you probably don't do links.

In 1972, Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould revived this idea, under the name Punctuated Equilibrium. They agreed that transitional fossils are plentiful, and that smooth transitional sequences are sometimes found. However, they argued that these are not as common as theory predicted. Instead, we often see a species go on unchanged for a long time. And then the species is replaced, without any transition, by a new species that looks like a variation of the old one.

Their explanation is that a group of creatures was cut off from the rest of their species. Since the group probably lived in a small inhospitable fringe area, they would be under selection pressure. Being a small group, they were able to evolve fairly quickly. Then, later, they spread, and replaced their parent species.

Now, imagine the fossil record. In the small fringe area, the complete history might be recorded. In the much larger main region, we would see the parent species, and then suddenly see a slightly different species. The chances are very good that we will never happen to dig for fossils in the small region. So, there's a reduced chance of finding transitional fossils.


Is There Any Evidence For Punctuated Equilibrium?

Yes. Several examples of this exact scenario are known. For example, there's a marine microfossil, a trilobite, a brachiopod, and some dinosaurs (including a Tyrannosaurus).

How Quickly Does This Happen?

There's no theoretical reason why it needs to take more than hundreds or thousands of years. In practice, 500,000 years is still "suddenly", when it comes to dinosaurs.

What Is The Mechanism Of Evolution In These Cases?

The theory of Punctuated Equilibrium does not say, and it shouldn't. There are a number of known evolutionary mechanisms, such as the Founder Effect, Natural Selection, neutral drift, sexual selection, and so on. Other mechanisms may be discovered in the future. There is no particular reason to expect that cases of Punctuated Equilibrium must all use the same mechanism. The point of the theory is only that evolution is more likely to happen to small groups, isolated from the homogenizing effect of the larger main group.

What Happens To The Parent Species?

That varies. If there was a mass extinction (or even a small one), they may be gone, and the descendant species moves into the resulting vacuum. Or, in the dinosaurs example, the parents had all migrated elsewhere. In the microfossil example, the parent species co-exists to this day with the new species. Or, the new species might fight it out with the parent species. It depends on why this happened, and on how different the child species is.

Is This Common? Why?

It seems to have happened a lot. For example, we have been learning recently that the ocean has risen and fallen a great many times. Each time it happened, it would fragment any wide-ranging species into a bunch of little geographic areas. Later, when the ocean level changed back, the fragments would try to spread back into the main area. This would leave "punctuated equilibrium" in the fossil record.

676 posted on 12/06/2005 12:45:18 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: dotnetfellow
...the fossil record shows creatures appearing "fully formed" as Gould put it...

I doubt very much this is Gould's term, rather it is a creationoid term of art which they steadfastly refuse to define. Gould's PE was about "sudden" appearance, that is in geologic terms a million or a few hundred thousand years.

679 posted on 12/06/2005 12:55:02 PM PST by edsheppa
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