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NIST Physicists Coax Six Atoms Into Quantum 'Cat' State
Science Daily | National Institute of Standards and Technology ^ | 2005-12-03

Posted on 12/03/2005 10:24:55 PM PST by sourcery

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To: Doctor Stochastic
The real question (IMNSHO) is: "Why does the Sqrt(-1) suffice?" In other words, why do we not need CubeRoot(-1), etc.?

Doesn't the cube root of -1 = -1?

61 posted on 12/04/2005 10:15:57 AM PST by bobdsmith
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To: Doctor Stochastic
(x**3-1)/(x-1)=x**2+x+1 so we solve this by the quadratic formula.

x=(-1+Sqrt(-3))/2 or (-1-Sqrt(-3))/2

These are the others cube roots. Multiplying by 3 gives the cube roots of (-27).

Does sqrt(-1) have two roots?

62 posted on 12/04/2005 10:19:17 AM PST by bobdsmith
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To: RightWhale
Quaternions were quite an innovation,...

Ahhh, thanks!

"RA" uses them extensively on his work, IIRC.

63 posted on 12/04/2005 10:22:20 AM PST by longshadow
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To: AntiGuv

in many cases, "it just can't" is a factual assessment, but an unsatisfying one.


64 posted on 12/04/2005 10:22:55 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: longshadow

The mathematical form of quaternions is very powerful for describing rotation. They were replaced by tensors in most physical applications that involve translation such as earthquake modelling, but they have their place. Translation could be viewed as rotation where the radius of rotation is infinitely long.


65 posted on 12/04/2005 10:30:22 AM PST by RightWhale (Not transferable -- Good only for this trip)
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To: RightWhale

we perceive that we observe.

I agree that the human mind exists not in the "real" world but in its own cognitive synthesis, but overapplying this leads to Solipsism - a useless form of mental masturbation even in philosophy and mysticism.

assuming a non-solipsistic reality, real facts have real patterns which we conscious beings observe, recognise, and describe. Cases in point: Diurnal cycles, lunbar progression, tides, seasonal cycles, the surprisingly common incidence of close approximation of Fibonacci series and ratio in organic structures (including those long dead and fossilized before the first proto-primate flexed his thumb), etc...

the patterns and cycles existed and continue to exist independent from our observations, recognitions, and descriptions of them.


66 posted on 12/04/2005 10:30:29 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

inquiry: does x**3 = x^3?


67 posted on 12/04/2005 10:31:33 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout

"lunbar"?

need... more... coffee


68 posted on 12/04/2005 10:33:26 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

We DO need the cube root of -1. It's called "-1".


69 posted on 12/04/2005 10:35:23 AM PST by wotan
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To: King Prout

First nobody noticed mathematical rabbits, then they are everywhere. Need a set of observations form a perfect pattern? It appears not, since there is no perfection anywhere except in the pattern itself. Nature does not fit the patterns exactly. For example from astronomical things, what is the cause of the precession of the equinox? Wobble? What kind of pattern is that?


70 posted on 12/04/2005 10:36:28 AM PST by RightWhale (Not transferable -- Good only for this trip)
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To: sourcery
does it have anything to do with this?
71 posted on 12/04/2005 10:37:17 AM PST by IonInsights
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To: Doctor Stochastic
x**3-1=0 is the equation we need to solve. -1 is one solution.

I thought we were discussing the cube root of negative one.
If this is so, wouldn't it be "x**3 + 1 = 0"?

72 posted on 12/04/2005 10:37:17 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: RightWhale

um... who said a pattern has to be perfectly regular?


73 posted on 12/04/2005 10:38:36 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: sourcery

That's some convenient pet cat which only has 1026 atoms.


74 posted on 12/04/2005 10:42:18 AM PST by bvw
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To: Physicist

That's not a cat then, that's a thousand moles.


75 posted on 12/04/2005 10:45:48 AM PST by bvw
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To: King Prout

That is true enough, but a factual assessment of "it just can't" is always based on some rationale besides "it just can't".. :)


76 posted on 12/04/2005 10:46:02 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv

in any question-answer confrontation, if the querent asks "why?" enough times, the respondent will eventually be reduced to saying "because!"

there may or may not be ultimate answers in this sidereal universe - but it is unlikely that the human mind could encompas them or express them.


77 posted on 12/04/2005 10:49:24 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout

Yes, but when you reach the stage of "because!" the answer is not really "because!"; the real answer is: "because no one has ever observed otherwise and no one can think of any plausible way that it could be otherwise!"


78 posted on 12/04/2005 10:52:33 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: RightWhale
Quaternions were quite an innovation, but turned out to be not particularly useful and were abandoned--until a few years ago. They are back, especially in graphics.

They've been back for a few decades in guidance systems.

79 posted on 12/04/2005 10:54:21 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: sourcery

Thank you for posting this interesting article. I am fascinated by quantum physics. I always think the key to understanding it is just out of my range of vision, like an out of focus picture becoming clearer and clearer, can almost see it and then wham it's gone. I think it would be the greatest job in the world to study it! Probably would never go home.


80 posted on 12/04/2005 10:55:01 AM PST by MontanaBeth (Never under estimate the enemy.)
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