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To: Travis McGee

Unless the money supply can expand at the rate the economy is expanding it will produce deflation which cripples the economy. This is the reason gold and silver are no longer monetary instruments. Governments are not going to allow the economy to collapse and face rebellious citizens.

Gold and silver expand at a rate less than two percent per yr. (for the last 500 yrs. including the looting of the New World's metals by the Spanish) while our long term economic growth rate is a little over 3 per cent. Thus without the advent of credit and paper money we would not have grown as much as we have in the last hundred years.

It is also instructive to examine the origins of the Federal Reserve system. Bankers in the Money Centers fought the idea for decades believing they could handle the periodic financial panics. They did not care that it was the banks and the people in the hinterlands which suffered most during these panics as their money was drawn away to the Money Centers. Let the farmers go bankrupt.

But after the Panic of 1907 it became clear that without a financial giant of the stature of JP Morgan such panics could not be staved off and something else had to be done.
Then the financial class joined forces with the Populists and Progressives to come up with the Federal Reserve and its system of regional banks to assure that the money would not be drawn off to the East as was typically the case.

Most of those highly critical of Central banking do not understand its history or its function and write it off as a conspiracy against the common man. It is not.


27 posted on 11/29/2005 2:47:27 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I agree that it is not necessarily be a conspiracy against the common man, however it sure doesn't work in our favor.

Lurking'


29 posted on 11/29/2005 2:51:01 PM PST by LurkingSince'98
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Gold and silver can only expand as fast as mining permits, that much of what you said is true.

But the ASSET VALUE of gold is not restricted. Supply and demand in the market will set the value of gold as high as it needs to go.

But that was not good enough for the banksters, because "honest money" (ie gold backed money) did not permit them to simply print all of the fiat currency they wanted, when they wanted. Hence Jekyll Island, and the federal reserve act.

But you will say, "so what?" I'll tell you "so what." Show me an example in all of recorded history where the debasement of the currency didn't end in disaster and tears. Begin with the Roman Denarius, which went from pure silver to pure copper, as the Roman Empire declined and fell.

How about pre-revolutionary France? The printing presses rolled, and then heads rolled. Literally.

How about "worthless as a Continental?" The USA was almost stillborn, and the Constitution and the Coin Act were supposed to guarantee an end to worthless fiat money.

How about Weimar Germany? Wheelbarrows worth more than the millions of Marks it held. "Hello, Adolf."

Now it is your turn to say, "It's different time."

But please, give me one example in recorded history where ballooning expanding fiat money produced a stable and prosperous society IN THE LONG RUN.

And don't tell me, "in the long run, we are all dead." I do not want to hand a Caligula, Napoleon or Hitler to my children, if the survive the coming Greater Depression.

So please, one historical example of oceans of fiat money leading to stability and prosperity will suffice. Just one.
34 posted on 11/29/2005 3:05:48 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"Unless the money supply can expand at the rate the economy is expanding it will produce deflation which cripples the economy."

How does deflation cripple the economy??????
Deflation cripples debtors only. For everyone else it raises their standard of living. Why do you think we're buying everything from China??

Delation would cripple the US Government because it is the largest debtor in the history of mankind. Is That Your Point???


54 posted on 11/29/2005 5:48:26 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Ah NO!

By ALL RIGHTS a currency backed by precious metals should have been appreciating ALL these years, as the Founders provided for, instead of the pennies on the dollar it's worth now.

Our Founder's were genius's, they knew all about the Romans insisting in pure gold or silver coins when collecting taxes, (the coins have the file marks to prove it), but the Roman Republic had no problem issuing new coins that were silver coated copper - much like our copper plated aluminum.

No one should be without a fraction of their porfolio's being in gold.

The Fed and the New Dealers are all part and parcel of the same scam by banking, political and industrial elites, and we the people are reduced to worker bees, in the "Queens" service.


205 posted on 12/01/2005 7:55:39 AM PST by Marxbites
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