Posted on 11/28/2005 2:39:24 PM PST by Brian_Baldwin
Bush Outlines Border Security Plan
Monday, November 28, 2005
CRAWFORD, Texas — Trying to unify a fractious Republican Party headed to midterm elections with wide differences over how to best deal with illegal immigration, President Bush was in Tucson, Ariz., on Monday to say America shouldn't have to choose between a welcoming society and a lawful one.
"Securing our border is essential to securing our homeland. And I want to thank all of those who are working around the clock to defend our border, to enforce our laws and to uphold the values of the United States of America. America is grateful to those on the front lines enforcing the border," Bush said at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in the first of two speeches on border control.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176879,00.html
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Because ALL American citizens should enjoy the same opportunities, protections and freedoms we do.
You can think whatever you'd like - I am not "bayourod".
Should we thank George Bush for "working around the clock to defend our borders"?
Anyone?
Anyone?
What hypocrisy! I am really tired of the hypocrisy. I want action. I want Teddy Roosevelt type action. I want Harry Truman type action. I do not want George Bush hypocrisy.
THEY ARE NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!
Congratulations on being part of the problem.
Nothing wrong with defending the President when he is in the right. He is not in the right on immigration. Too bad, but that is how he has performed - i.e. poorly.
But you're just as much of a shill for illegal immigration as he ever was.
Same BS, different screen name.
O.K. - here is one source: http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/factsheets/USandMexico.htm
Social Security Totalization
Since the late 1970’s, the U.S. has established international social security agreements that coordinate the U.S. Social Security program with the comparable programs of other countries.
These international social security agreements are called “totalization agreements” and have two main purposes:
Eliminate dual social security taxation that occurs when a worker from one country works in another country and is required to pay social security taxes to both countries on the same earnings. As a result of existing totalization agreements, U.S. workers and employers currently are saving about $800 million annually in foreign taxes they do not have to pay.
Help fill gaps in benefit protection for workers who have divided their careers between the U.S. and another country, but who have not worked long enough in one or both countries to qualify for social security benefits. With totalization, workers are allowed to combine work credits from both countries to become eligible for benefits. The benefit amount paid is proportional to the amount of credits earned in the paying country.
An agreement with Mexico
An agreement with Mexico would save U.S. workers and their employers about $140 million in Mexican social security and health insurance taxes over the first 5 years of the agreement.
An agreement would also fill the gaps in benefit protection for U.S. workers who have worked in both countries, but not long enough in one or both countries to qualify for benefits.
Mexico is the second largest trading partner with the U.S. Agreements are already in effect with Canada, the largest trading partner with the U.S., and 19 other countries.
With Mexico, the U.S. now has signed agreements with eight of its top ten trading partners. Many of these agreements have been in effect for nearly two decades. The two exceptions are China and Taiwan. By law, the U.S. could not enter into agreements with these two countries because they do not have generally applicable social security systems that pay periodic benefits or the actuarial equivalent.
Costs of an agreement with Mexico
Social Security actuaries estimate that a totalization agreement with Mexico would have a negligible long-range effect on the Trust Funds.
Costs to the U.S. Social Security system are estimated to average about $105 million per year over the first five years. These costs are for additional benefits to eligible U.S. and Mexican workers and reduced Social Security tax contributions under the dual taxation exemption.
To put this in perspective, in 2002, costs to the U.S. system for the existing agreement with Canada were about $197 million.
Effective date of an agreement with Mexico
In the United States, once the agreement is signed, the President will submit the agreement to Congress where it must sit in review for 60 session days. If Congress takes no action during this time, the agreement can move forward.
In Mexico, once the agreement is signed, the Mexican Senate must approve it.
Countries already having totalization agreements with the U.S.
The United States currently has Social Security agreements with Canada, Chile, South Korea, Australia and most of Western Europe.
Country Effective Date Country Effective Date
Italy November 1, 1978 Portugal August 1, 1989
Germany December 1, 1979 Netherlands November 1, 1990
Switzerland November 1, 1980 Austria November 1, 1991
Belgium July 1, 1984 Finland November 1, 1992
Norway July 1, 1984 Ireland September 1, 1993
Canada August 1, 1984 Luxembourg November 1, 1993
United Kingdom January 1, 1985 Greece September 1, 1994
Sweden January 1, 1987 South Korea April 1, 2001
Spain April 1, 1988 Chile December 1, 2001
France July 1, 1988 Australia October 1, 2002
"The freeloaders have to be financed by someone." My doctor friends report the same phenomenon. TANSTAAFL;>)
Since I think he's right on immigration too - I was against sealing the borders on 9/12 due to the economy and cherished values America holds and I'm against it today - you'll pardon me if I continue to defend . . .
I understand your side of the argument - thanks.
ah, so you're a quisling who values platitudes over the safety and security of the american people.
Thanks for exposing yourself.
Do you think the guest workers should have a path to citizenship?
That is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have been a Conservative all my life but I'll be damn if I would vote to elect one person with Bush's record.
You got it, and there is more. The 14th only applies to the states, not to the federal government, read it & weep.
I'm talking about Mexican illegal aliens. Which countries were these people from? Source?
I don't think I'll respond to you as strongly as Flashbunny and others have done, but I do disagree with your premise and your conclusions. I think we're having the same problem the Native Americans did. If they could have stopped the Europeans at the border, they would still own the country. The stakes are the same. Look at France for a preview.
I'm not an attorney, but I know that one could make a great legal argument that the 14th only applies to people who are here legally.
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