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IHS Preparing After-Market Hydrogen Supplement Device for Vehicles
Open Source Energy News ^ | Sterling D. Allan

Posted on 11/28/2005 12:28:57 PM PST by saganite

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OK techies. What do you think? Feasible?
1 posted on 11/28/2005 12:28:58 PM PST by saganite
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A Jeep Cherokee 2000 driven by IHS vice president, Jon Joseph, has seen a 30% mileage improvement with the addition of the H2 N-GenTM unit.

He said he can put his hand on the tail pipe even after hours of driving, because the engine is running so efficiently.

Shouldn't a "more complete burn" result in more heat? Something doesn't seem to add up here.

2 posted on 11/28/2005 12:32:38 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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Because water is a byproduct of hydrogen combustion, the water component is in a "closed loop" cycle, with no net gain or loss from the environment.

Break water, burn the H2, then get back the water? Where's the energy coming from, then?

3 posted on 11/28/2005 12:32:43 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: saganite

It's a high feasible and efficient way to separate scientifically ignorant suckers from their money.


4 posted on 11/28/2005 12:33:03 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: saganite

-b-


5 posted on 11/28/2005 12:34:30 PM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media:NRABenefactor)
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To: Right Wing Professor

LOL! I expected your presence here and I'm not disappointed. Can you break down your analysis a little more?


6 posted on 11/28/2005 12:35:43 PM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: saganite

Atomic possum had it about right.


7 posted on 11/28/2005 12:37:11 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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these types of crackpot ideas come out every time gas prices go up. I've seen all sorts of gizmos that promise to improve mileage. none really work.

putting water into gas doesn't make a lot of sense, but I have seen folks who swear by these things.

the words "Crack" and "pot" seem to fit.


8 posted on 11/28/2005 12:37:31 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

>>It's a high feasible and efficient way to separate scientifically ignorant suckers from their money.

Bingo! That was my initial reaction as well.

Looks like a variation on the "vortex generator" on the intake, or the "electric turbocharger" hair dryer nonsense.


9 posted on 11/28/2005 12:37:36 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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10 posted on 11/28/2005 12:40:16 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azad)
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To: saganite

> OK techies. What do you think? Feasible?

It's clear that at least two well-known scientific
principles are at work here:
1. Placebo Effect
2. Observer Bias

>> The H2 N-Gen™ draws about 13 amps from the battery
>> to run its electrolysis.

And how mnay mpg does that subtract from the gain?

As I understand the laws of thermodynamics,
this can't work. Those laws are:
* You can't win.
* You can't break even.
* You can't get out of the game.


11 posted on 11/28/2005 12:40:38 PM PST by Boundless
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Aside from the claims about the device itself is there any crdibility to the claim that injecting hydrogen into the fuel mixture will improve combustion?


12 posted on 11/28/2005 12:41:08 PM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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The H2 N-Gen™ draws about 13 amps from the battery to run its electrolysis. The low volume of hydrogen created, and its low atmospheric pressure, make it "impossible to detonate" in the case of a leak or accident.

It sounds like all they are doing is adding some hydrogen gas to the air being injected into the combustion chamber.

If this device works, then you don't need to use electrolysis to generate the hydrogen. You could just hook up cylinder of hydrogen, especially since we are talking about a "low volume of hydrogen."

I have never heard of anybody increasing fuel economy by adding hydrogen gas to the intake of a gasoline engine.

This is an obvious hoax.

13 posted on 11/28/2005 12:42:00 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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14 posted on 11/28/2005 12:45:13 PM PST by bmwcyle (Evolution is a myth -- Libertarians just won't evolve into Conservatives.)
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To: saganite
Aside from the claims about the device itself is there any crdibility to the claim that injecting hydrogen into the fuel mixture will improve combustion?

I can't see why it would. In fact, from what I've read, hydrogen internal combustion engines have a problem with 'pre-detonation' - knocking - and so I'd expect adding hydrogen to the fuel mixture would lower the octane rating, making energy conversion less efficient.

15 posted on 11/28/2005 12:45:56 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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"He said he can put his hand on the tail pipe even after hours of driving, because the engine is running so efficiently."

BS. There is NO WAY I can take any of this seriously after reading that line.


16 posted on 11/28/2005 12:46:50 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: saganite; Right Wing Professor; sionnsar; RightWhale; camle

They're just doing this to prevent me from patenting my carburetor that burns water.


17 posted on 11/28/2005 12:50:34 PM PST by NicknamedBob (If I were not a husband and father, I might be wealthier, but I wouldn't be richer.)
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To: saganite

how about this.....you set up a solar electrolisis unit at your home....it produces the 2 gases and isolates them into tanks....at home you pump them into tanks on your vehicle and they are somehow introduced into your plenum and or injectors, along with the normal ambient air and gasoline.

Just a thought.


18 posted on 11/28/2005 12:51:00 PM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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"Break water, burn the H2, then get back the water? Where's the energy coming from, then?"


They make it up in volume......


19 posted on 11/28/2005 12:53:44 PM PST by RFEngineer
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this is a scam, alright, and probably includes a scam to get money from the Canadian Gov't to fund more "research", while they float some worthless stock.
20 posted on 11/28/2005 12:53:57 PM PST by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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