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Bush plans anti-illegals campaign
The Washington Times ^ | November 28, 2005 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 11/27/2005 10:27:55 PM PST by ConservativeStatement

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To: carton253
Minutemen do not fit the definition of vigilante in the definition you posted. Amazing how two or more people can read the same thing and each see different meaning.
61 posted on 11/27/2005 11:13:37 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: luvbach1

"I would love to see Mr. President retract his remarks about the Minutemen and give them some thanks and praise instead.
They deserve it and he would be well advised to befriend this movement of good and decent people."


62 posted on 11/27/2005 11:13:40 PM PST by injin
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To: carton253
Doesn't answer my question. Are they not vigilantes?

If you want to be extremely precise about definitions, perhaps you might ask why President Bush is derelict in his duties, under Article 4 Section 4 of the Constitution he swore to uphold?

U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"

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Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster] 1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

63 posted on 11/27/2005 11:14:01 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: All
BULL. This is the first salvo, long expected, on the scheme to get his temporary worker guest worker amnesty supported in Congress. He's a little behind the schedule but this is nothing unexpected and it's FAKE. Like his "conservative" fiscal agenda.

We need to demand no back-room deals, no on-paper enforcement.

We want the REAL DEAL, Mr. President: enforcement at the border and in the interior. Your administration has steadily DECREASED accountability for corporations hiring illegals. You called the Minute Men "vigilantes." You've not closed the three mile hole in the Operation Gatekeeper wall. You've not FUNDED all those extra border patrol you claimed to call for. We demand you hold Vincente Fox and Mexico accountable for the "rogue" Federales who act on behalf of the narco terrorist traffickers along our border.

The invasion must stop. We can bring freedom to Iraq, when are we bringing freedom to our Southern Border cities?

64 posted on 11/27/2005 11:14:19 PM PST by newzjunkey (Why we fight for a free Iraq: http://massgraves.info/ -- Don't spare Tookie, Arnold!)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

I don't like the part about illegals being allowed to stay 6 years. That is a reward for breaking the law.


65 posted on 11/27/2005 11:14:35 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: ncountylee

does any other country on Earth offer this 'anchor baby' angle? Not sure , but I think not....it's got to end here.


66 posted on 11/27/2005 11:15:05 PM PST by injin
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To: ncountylee

we have a bill pending in Congress with
Mr. Hunter......

this has to be passed and these folks have
to understand the 14th amendment doesn't
allow for anchor babies.


67 posted on 11/27/2005 11:15:27 PM PST by no-to-illegals
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To: everyone

Doubletalk.

Swallow your pride, Mr. President, and look this problem
in the face.


68 posted on 11/27/2005 11:15:45 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: Dustbunny
I don't like the part about illegals being allowed to stay 6 years. That is a reward for breaking the law.

The six years will turn into forever and the kids they have here will be Americans.

69 posted on 11/27/2005 11:17:08 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw

Exactly what is needed on our borders.


70 posted on 11/27/2005 11:17:09 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: injin

Heartily agree that President Bush should retract his vigilante remark. I don't expect he will.


71 posted on 11/27/2005 11:17:54 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: Dustbunny
I don't like the part about illegals being allowed to stay 6 years. That is a reward for breaking the law.

And I have a bridge to sell to any dolt who truly believes any of them will be leaving the USA after 6 years.

Actually, I think this is a more likely outcome:

Fernando Ortiz was a ‘landscape engineer’ on Long Island who had demanded to be able to vote, on the basis that he had been paying state and federal taxes for ten years. Actually, he had been stopped from casting a ballot by a poll watcher who had suspected his citizenship status, and (illegally, as it turned out) demanded proof of his identity and legal qualification to vote. Ortiz had won a multi-million dollar settlement against the Republican Party of New York in the subsequent “racial profiling and ethnic intimidation” civil suit, but he did not stop there.

Instead, with massive support from the ACLU and various Hispanic “immigrants rights” foundations, he had pressed his demand to be allowed to vote all the way to the Supreme Court…and he won. The Supreme Court, in its famous 5-4 decision, ruled that negligence in securing America’s borders against illegal immigration on the part of the federal government, could not be held against “undocumented workers who played by the rules and paid their taxes,” once they were established in America—legally or not. The federal government had not taken reasonable efforts to secure the border, and had not pursued "undocumented workers" in the USA. Instead, it openly permitted them most of the benefits of citizenship, and it collected their taxes. "No taxation without representation!" was the cry heard all the way to the Supreme Court. The State of New York had then sleep-walked through an aimless and desultory case for denying the vote—and citizenship—to “undocumented workers.”

Following Ortiz v. New York, a stunned America woke up to discover that there were not only an amazing twenty-two million illegal aliens hiding in plain sight across the land, but that eight million of them immediately qualified to vote. In a nation split 50-50 down party and ideological lines, these eight million new voters were recognized to be the certain majority-makers in future elections, and both parties set record lows for cravenness in pandering to their “needs.” Chief among their “needs” were liberal new family reunification laws, and these instant citizens—illegal aliens only a year before—began bringing the remainders of their families to the USA. Legally.

Overnight, wavering Democrat states became locks, and swing states with large Hispanic populations went solidly “blue.” The result was the recent election which had brought Gobernador Deleon to power in Nuevo Mexico, and had also brought radical Democrats to power in the White House and both houses of congress.

Thus had come the political tsunami which swept all before it, a tidal wave triggered by an undocumented lawn maintenance worker named Fernando Ortiz.

72 posted on 11/27/2005 11:18:42 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: msf92497

Do you know for a fact that the shoppers there were illegals? I am assuming that the shoppers were speaking among themselves (who they were there with, family members, etc.) but since when is speaking another language against the law? If the people who worked there were forced to speak Spanish, or if the store signs were in Spanish, it would be a problem, but that apparently wasn't the case based on what you said.

My mother, and the entire mother's side of my family, are immigrants who all came here legally and are citizens. They can all speak English very well yet that doesn't stop them from speaking Maltese amongst each other; yes they even do it in public. Does that mean that whoever let them in wasn't looking out for you?

I am completely against ILLEGAL immigration as much as anyone else here but my point is that if you hear people speaking a different language amongst themselves to not automatically assume that they are illegals. That's all.


73 posted on 11/27/2005 11:19:08 PM PST by frankiep
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To: Dustbunny

74 posted on 11/27/2005 11:20:17 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Dustbunny

If they make an anchor baby during those 6 years, they stay forever and drag other relatives in 'legally.'


75 posted on 11/27/2005 11:20:30 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
REALLY???

Rolls over and go back to sleep.
This make be just a passing dream in the night.

76 posted on 11/27/2005 11:20:46 PM PST by prophetic
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To: dennisw
That works for me! It sure beats:


77 posted on 11/27/2005 11:22:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

a damm stinking pathetic shame on the USA.


78 posted on 11/27/2005 11:22:03 PM PST by prophetic
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To: ncountylee
I'm not holding my breath for anything effective.

He didn't exactly go around stumping for putting property rights' safeguards in place after what the USSC pulled (He wasn't exactly hitting up Congress and pushing them to do something about it).

I'm not expecting him to do much here. Hell, he's wanting to let the ones already here, stay here for six years, by which time they will have found a way to get legal citizenship (either through marriage or children).
79 posted on 11/27/2005 11:23:38 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: prophetic

I too am skeptical...
but I pray this is for real and
there is no amnesty sitting out
there. For if there is.......
Katie bar the door... Americans
are mean when triffled with, even
if it is a President...
and the Republican could be paying
for anything said and done by this
President for a long, long, time.


80 posted on 11/27/2005 11:25:12 PM PST by no-to-illegals
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