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Jamaica: Ganja and crime (shocking new suggestion that pot may be related to crime in some way)
The Jamaica Gleaner ^ | November 27, 2005

Posted on 11/27/2005 7:24:36 PM PST by Stoat

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To: eleni121

That was not my argument.


201 posted on 11/29/2005 12:20:53 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

All secretions of the body are now property of the state.
You will be forced to turn over your secretions and to pay
for purity testing of your secretions. Failure to do so will
warrant termination of citizenship and forced servitude to
all others of purity ad infinitum. Welcome to your world.
I have some puke here for waiting for you to examine.


202 posted on 11/29/2005 12:26:34 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: chronic_loser

most of the violence in just about any drug use comes from the user not being able to get more, seller warfare, or in avoiding arrest. all could be mostly cured by legalisation. usage on most drugs would go down due to more frequent OD deaths or people that no longer bother because it has lost its attraction as a rebellious act.
legalise and tax, then transfer DEA to border control.


203 posted on 11/29/2005 12:35:43 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Didn't you leave out the part where you get to execute any intoxicated person that comes near you? Or have you altered your criteria somewhat?


204 posted on 11/29/2005 12:41:54 PM PST by getsoutalive
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To: muawiyah

Come wet sand a while.


205 posted on 11/29/2005 12:47:19 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: little jeremiah

What a false dichotomy you set up there.

There are an array of beliefs and worldviews that you left out, but you are far more concerned with demonizing your opposition than being truthful or considered in your arguments.


206 posted on 11/29/2005 1:10:45 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Bingo. Does anyone remember their science education at all? Remember the concept of controls. Now, in this doctor's observations of the effects of marijuana on behavior, tell me exactly what is and is not controlled?

Sorry, but horseshit dressed up as science is still horseshit.


207 posted on 11/29/2005 1:16:06 PM PST by jayef
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To: getsoutalive

Dashwood is an abomination unto Free Republic.


208 posted on 11/29/2005 1:40:04 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Skywalk

Okay, cite some examples. What other world view is there besides the two I mentioned? And please note that I am not coming from a narrow sectarian viewpoint.

Either a person recognizes that there exist eternal, universal absolute truths, or he rejects them. What third alternative is there? It's like day or night. There is no third alternative. Of course, there's dawn and dusk, so similarly some people try to straddle the two world views. But that's like sitting on a fence - neither comfortable nor secure.

By "demonize" what exactly do you mean? That I said something you don't agree with?


209 posted on 11/29/2005 1:43:43 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: absolootezer0

My head says yes, but my heart says no. Maybe pot, but I have visions of needle park in Zurich tatooed on my inner eyelids. I can't think that any rational person would advocate more of that as a good thing.


210 posted on 11/29/2005 2:42:29 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: little jeremiah
It is a myth, besides being unbiblical, to insist that biblical morality and civil law are coterminous. Before you scoff, let me add that I cut my teeth on Greg Bahnsen's "Theonomy and Christian Ethics," so I know a little bit of the arguments for civil codes reflecting the morality of biblical ethics.

However, to say "this is wrong" is not the same as saying "this should be illegal." If you want to know why, I have a few biblical and secular examples for you.

To say that we live in a universe of moral absolutes is not the same as saying that those moral absolutes should be enshrined in civil law. As a matter of fact, if you are a Christian, I would think you would argue that the civil law should NOT be coterminous to the moral law, simply because of the ultimate rebellion against all law this would provoke.

The question is not "is it wrong" but "should it be illegal" and the two are vastly different questions.

211 posted on 11/29/2005 2:48:36 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Did you just flunk out of your Dale Carnegie course and just never got over being pissed off about it?

Or do the friendly and "let's talk about this to see if we can understand each other" tone of your posts have some other happy source that I missed somewhere?

212 posted on 11/29/2005 2:54:47 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
All too often liberals trot out a statement

You would know.

I didn't see the Ku Klux Kennedy fortune diminish either

Red herring ... I never said it did, only that retaining Prohibition would have continued the easy cash flow that they otherwise had to work harder for. Do you really think de-"legitimizing" the Kennedys would have been a good enough reason to retain Prohibition?

213 posted on 11/29/2005 3:27:03 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: chronic_loser
I have visions of needle park in Zurich tatooed on my inner eyelids.

Legalizing use only in a small public area was about the dumbest way to legalize; I'd advocate a different approach.

214 posted on 11/29/2005 3:32:42 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: little jeremiah
Either a person recognizes that there exist eternal, universal absolute truths, or he rejects them.

I agree that there are. One of them is that the only proper function of government is to defend individual liberties.

215 posted on 11/29/2005 3:33:51 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: eleni121
So overdosing on a substance is the criteria for prohibition?

That'd be a saner criterion than anything that's been offered in support of the alcohol-yes-marijuana-no status quo.

216 posted on 11/29/2005 3:36:02 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: little jeremiah
absolutely no selling

Same rule for the deadly, addictive, violence-inducing drug alcohol? If not, why not?

217 posted on 11/29/2005 3:37:03 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: chronic_loser

"source that I missed somewhere?"

http://www.controverscial.com/Sir%20Francis%20Dashwood.htm


218 posted on 11/29/2005 3:40:44 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: eleni121
In fact there are thousands whose lives are cut short by using marijuana

Got any verifiable data to back up that claim?
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219 posted on 11/29/2005 3:52:34 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

So many adverse effects...so little time.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html


220 posted on 11/29/2005 3:56:32 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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