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GIs face discipline for burning bodies
The Associated Press ^ | Nov. 26, 2005 | DANIEL COONEY

Posted on 11/26/2005 7:25:34 AM PST by Dubya

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - Four U.S. soldiers face disciplinary action for burning the bodies of two Taliban rebels, but they will not be charged with crimes because their actions were motivated by hygienic concerns, the military said Saturday.

The military started its inquiry into the incident last month after TV footage showed U.S. soldiers using the cremation to taunt other Islamic militants _ an act that sparked outrage in Afghanistan.

Islam bans cremation, and the video images were compared here to photographs of U.S. troops abusing prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

The U.S.-led coalition's operational commander, Maj. Gen. Jason Kamiya, said two junior officers who ordered the bodies burned would be officially reprimanded for showing a lack of cultural and religious understanding, but he said the men were unaware that what they were doing was wrong.

Kamiya also said two noncommissioned officers would be reprimanded for using loudspeakers to taunt Taliban rebels believed to be lingering in a nearby village after a clash with the troops. The two men also would face nonjudicial punishments, which could include a loss of pay or demotion in rank.

"Our investigation found there was no intent to desecrate the remains, but only to dispose of them for hygienic reasons," Kamiya said.

He added that the broadcasts, while "designed to incite fleeing Taliban to fight," violated military policy.

The video footage threatens to undermine public support for the war against a stubborn insurgency four years after U.S.-led forces ousted the Taliban's repressive regime in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Hours after it was broadcast in Australia last month, American commanders promised a full investigation and vowed that anyone found guilty would be punished to the full extent of military law.

Kandahar Gov. Asadullah Khalid, who attended the military's news conference in the former Taliban stronghold of Kandahar, said, "We have confidence in this investigation."

The footage shows about five soldiers in light-colored military fatigues, which did not have any distinguishing marks, standing near a bonfire in which two bodies were laid side by side.

Kamiya said the temperature at the time was 90, and the bodies had lain exposed on the ground for 24 hours and were rapidly decomposing.

"This posed an increasing health concern for our soldiers," Kamiya said. "The criminal investigation proved there was no violation of the rules of war."

The Geneva Convention forbids the burning of combatants except for hygienic purposes.

The bodies were found atop a hill following a firefight, and Kamiya said soldiers, intending to stay on the hill for two or three days for strategic reasons, believed other Taliban had fled into the village below.

Australia's SBS television, which first showed the videotape, said it was taken by a freelance journalist, Stephen Dupont, in hills outside Gonbaz village in the southern Shah Wali Kot district _ an area where there is frequent Taliban activity.

Dupont told The Associated Press he took the footage while embedded with the Army's 173rd Airborne Brigade.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai ordered his own inquiry into the videotape. That investigation has also been completed but officials say it is not clear when its findings will be released.

Though Afghan media have reported the alleged desecration, the videotape has not been broadcast here and there have been no protest rallies.

The last violent anti-American protests in Afghanistan were in May over a report by Newsweek _ later retracted _ that U.S. soldiers at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility abused Islam's holy book, the Quran.


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The high up people in Washington are going to stand behind these solders. Way behond them. :^)
1 posted on 11/26/2005 7:25:35 AM PST by Dubya
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To: Dubya

"Islam bans cremation.."
Of course it does. But not cremation by way of C4, or burning jet fuel.


2 posted on 11/26/2005 7:30:34 AM PST by RtWngr (Being tolerant of the intolerant is pretty stupid actually.)
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To: RtWngr
"Islam bans cremation.."

But encourages homicide bombings, beheadings, mutilation, etc...
3 posted on 11/26/2005 7:33:02 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Dubya

This burns my ass.

We are not serious about winning this war.


4 posted on 11/26/2005 7:39:26 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: Dubya

Why is it OK to broadcast at high decibels the sounds of dying animals to those at WACO? Play rock and roll outside the residence of Noriega? Not OK to taunt an enemy? America is weak, and showing it to the enemy. I remember the British in the 18th century, maligning the militias that brought us freedom. All because we fought "unfairly". Now we are like those redcoats, playing fair and watching as our soldiers die. War is hell, the only rules are those that the winner writes.


5 posted on 11/26/2005 7:43:49 AM PST by jeremiah (People wake up, the water is getting hot)
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To: Dubya
"The last violent anti-American protests in Afghanistan were in May over a report by Newsweek _ later retracted _ that U.S. soldiers at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility abused Islam's holy book, the Quran."

It should read erroneous report by Newsweek.

BTW, the punishment should be something like an all expense paid week at the Bellagio in Las Vegas, ya know Sin City where it is impossible to find 72 virgins. ;)
6 posted on 11/26/2005 7:45:29 AM PST by Chgogal (Democrats cut and run, Marines don't. OR Democrats are silent and millions die. Which to use?)
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To: Dubya
If it is nonjudicial punishment, the CO can find that there was no offense. If it is a court marshal, they could be fined a carton of cigarettes for any offense.

But the bottom line is that the US appears to be putting these guys on the line for no reason except a clamor in the press. Their immediate supervisor it the chain could stop this as well as their commanding general. All that is required is the chonies on their part. Time will tell the tale.
7 posted on 11/26/2005 7:45:59 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Dubya
The Geneva Convention forbids the burning of combatants except for hygienic purposes.

Are the Taliban uniformed soldiers? If not, then they aren't covered by the Geneva Convention anyways.

8 posted on 11/26/2005 7:46:27 AM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Dubya
If the enemy doesn't laugh at the obsequiousness of the United States in the war...they have no sense of humor.

They burn, rape, behead, blow to smithereens CIVILIANS with impunity...and our response is follow the Geneva Convention and kiss their fannies.

Disgusting.

9 posted on 11/26/2005 7:47:52 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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The video footage threatens to undermine public support for the war against a stubborn insurgency

Not at my house.
These "insurgents" are nothing but rabid dogs who hide behind women and children and would kill your children if they could. They burned our people alive - these were dead stinking bodies that were burned. And we are supposed to "play well with others"?? The touchy feely generals running this war are being led by the nose by the media.

10 posted on 11/26/2005 7:54:04 AM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: Dubya
...but they will not be charged with crimes because their actions were motivated by hygienic concerns, the military said Saturday.

Then why on Earth are they facing ANY kind of "disciplinary action"?

WTF?

12 posted on 11/26/2005 7:56:08 AM PST by Recovering Hermit (Amateur naked ear squatter.)
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To: wyattearp
I had previously read it was for hygienic purposes. The bodies were bloated and rotting and smelled. And that was BEFORE they were killed! Seriously, I think if these guys are punished, it will just be to appease the media, which is just plain stupid.
13 posted on 11/26/2005 7:57:11 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Dubya
Just what did they do with all of the bodies of dead muslims in Malaysia as a result of the tsunami?
14 posted on 11/26/2005 7:57:50 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Dubya

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: F#$k Islam, and f#$k all Muslims. The world would be better off without the murdering bastards.


15 posted on 11/26/2005 7:58:09 AM PST by SALChamps03
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To: Dubya

One more reason that I would discourage anyone from joining the Army. Top Brass are nothing but eunuch politicians


16 posted on 11/26/2005 7:59:43 AM PST by radar101
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To: KenRI
That's right. Just throw the Geneva convention guidlines out the window. Lets do the same to the Islamic extremists as they do to us. Let's throw any sense of morality out the window too.

Oh spare me your touchy feely emotion-driven morality. Where does it say rabid cowardly dogs are covered under the Geneva Convention? Or did you forget your sarc tag?

BTW, welcome to FR (11/24/05)

19 posted on 11/26/2005 8:02:30 AM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: Dubya
...reprimanded for using loudspeakers to taunt Taliban rebels believed to be lingering in a nearby village after a clash with the troops.

officially reprimanded for showing a lack of cultural and religious understanding...

These two statements don't jibe.

If they lacked cultulral understanding (just typing the words makes me ill) then what were they using as taunts to the remaining rebels while burning the bodies?

20 posted on 11/26/2005 8:03:29 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸Ooooh...I think I over-medicated¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸)
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