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Ben Franklin's Politically Incorrect Thanksgiving
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | 1785 | Benjamin Franklin

Posted on 11/23/2005 7:57:37 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 11/23/2005 7:57:38 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

BTTT


2 posted on 11/23/2005 8:09:02 PM PST by CyberAnt ( I believe Congressman Curt Weldon re Able Danger)
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To: neverdem

For this, he will be banned from public school. Actually, many people claim he was a deist.


3 posted on 11/23/2005 8:21:30 PM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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... Actually, many people claim he was a deist.

Deism was common in Franklin's time. Deism was promoted by the very influential Philosopher, David Hume.

4 posted on 11/23/2005 8:33:33 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: neverdem

Happy Thanksgiving bump.


5 posted on 11/23/2005 8:36:21 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: neverdem

Either way, we need to remember that this feast was all about thanking God for what they had been provided.


7 posted on 11/23/2005 10:23:11 PM PST by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts; satchmodog9

Have you ever read Franklin's autobiography? He writes about his religious beliefs. I don't know exactly what people mean by "deist" - likely there are many viewpoints. He went to some churches for a while; but later did not attend. But read the Bible, prayed, and believed in God. And promoted church attendance for the general population with his words, deeds, and money.


8 posted on 11/23/2005 10:48:58 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: neverdem
What a great guy he was!
He also said "All cats are gray in the dark" when asked whether he preferred young women or older women while he was assigned as ambassador to France.
I wonder how many stitches the Frenchies needed before they realized he was speaking metaphorically!
9 posted on 11/23/2005 11:05:05 PM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: little jeremiah

The deist belief is in a supreme being. Many anti Christian leftists(oxymoron) like to believe that many of the founders(if not all) were deists. These men were clearly Christians even though some of them put their foot in the pool of deism. The erudite of the time considered deism to be the best, most logical religion.


10 posted on 11/24/2005 7:11:29 AM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: neverdem
The Left's censors (the PC Police) must cringe when confronted the actual words of America's Founders, such as those of Franklin quoted here.

On Thanksgiving Day 2005, thank God for modern technology, which has made it possible for us to have direct access to the prolific writings of Washington, Madison, the Adamses, Jefferson, Franklin, and the signers of our Constitution!

About the time that the "thought police" believed they had expunged from ordinary public libraries and public schools the books and writings of the Founders, along comes a far more excellent and effective means of proliferating America's Founding ideas--the Internet. This technology has enabled generations who might never have traveled to a distant library, searched through dusty stacks, and found the actual words of the Founders themselves, to read from original documents and texts.

Take, for instance, these words of Thomas Jefferson, in his Letter To Rev. Jared Sparks, 4 November 1820 (L&B 15:288):

"I hold the precepts of Jesus, as delivered by Himself, to be the most pure, benevolent, and sublime which have ever been preached to man. . . . The religion of Jesus is founded in the Unity of God, and this principle chiefly, gave it triumph over the rabble of heathen gods then acknowledged. Thinking men of all nations rallied readily to the doctrine of one only God, and embraced it with the pure morals which Jesus inculcated. If the freedom of religion, guaranteed to us by law in theory, can ever rise in practice under the overbearing inquisition of public opinion, truth will prevail over fanaticism, and the genuine doctrines of Jesus, so long perverted by His pseudo-priests, will again be restored to their original purity. This reformation will advance with the other improvements of the human mind, but too late for me to witness it."

And, To Doctor Benjamin Waterhouse, 26 June 1822 (L&B 15:383-5):

"The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.

1.. That there is only one God, and He all perfect.
2.. That there is a future state of rewards and punishment.
3.. That to love God with all thy heart and thy neighbor as thyself, is the sum of religion."

After a comparison with the his understanding of the doctrines of Calvin, Jefferson concluded:

"Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would now have been Christian. I rejoice that in this blessed country of free inquiry and belief, which has surrendered its creed and conscience to neither kings nor priests, the genuine doctrine of one only God is reviving, and I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian."

Of course, these are only a few of Jefferson's words that are never quoted by the Radical Left, who only use his single phrase from a letter to the Danbury Baptists which they have misappropriated in their battle to exclude discussions of religious matters from the public square.

11 posted on 11/24/2005 8:40:09 AM PST by loveliberty2
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Have you ever read Franklin's autobiography? He writes about his religious beliefs. I don't know exactly what people mean by "deist" -

No I don't know the specific inclinations of Franklin. However, the idea of Deism in which a god creates the universe and then abandons it from any further meddling was in favor with Deists. The notion of religion or churches are not abhorrent to Deists. They just didn't subscribe to a personal God who watched over your every move or directed your actions. I think the Deists saw value in the God of Abraham who was the final arbiter in good and evil rather than an absolute monarch.

Remember, the Book of Moses sets down for the first time a history, the God of the Jews, and a set of laws. It gave the Jews self determination without the need of a human authority assuming godlike qualities like the Pharaoh. The Jews placed certain rights of authority beyond any human, and followed God's law.

The founding fathers took this one step further and defined those inalienable rights and created a living document and framework for it to evolve. Their intent is not to live under the rule of an absolute monarch or a ruler falsely claiming godlike qualities.

The two Adams presidents belonged to a Unitarian Church. They are now buried within it in Quincy, Massachusetts. In their time Unitarians still identified as Christians. Less than 100 years later the Unitarians no longer considered themselves as Christians. They identify more with humanism than religion. They claim to accept all religions but really abhor the idea of a personal god. I would say they identify with Deism but not with the inalienable rights of man. They are now full blooded socialists.

12 posted on 11/24/2005 8:39:59 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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You would probably be interested in his autobiograpy. I read it last year; don't have it any more. I would say from my memory that he wouldn't be the kind of Deist who thinks God has no hand in the affairs of men.

***When an impasse had been reached at the Continental Congress, Benjamin Franklin called for prayer with these words:
"I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? I therefore beg leave to move--that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business"


13 posted on 11/24/2005 8:54:30 PM PST by little jeremiah
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Note: this topic is from 11/23/2005. Thanks neverdem.

14 posted on 11/26/2015 6:23:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: little jeremiah

He wanted to have a Chaplain open prayer when they were writing the Constitution, but there wasn’t enough money to pay for one. (A fact which I don’t understand...)


15 posted on 11/26/2015 6:27:44 PM PST by Politicalkiddo ("We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond with them." Abigail Adams)
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My goodness, this is an old thread. That is odd, I would assume many chaplains would have been glad to offer a prayer without being compensated.


16 posted on 11/26/2015 9:38:22 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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I got a ping. I didn’t even notice how old this is! I didn’t read the ping notice fully. I would’ve assumed the same thing. Or else someone would pay out of their own pockets. Some of these guys were as rich as Croesus.


17 posted on 11/26/2015 9:57:53 PM PST by Politicalkiddo ("We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond with them." Abigail Adams)
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Funny how an old thread gets resurrected now and then. Maybe it was such a custom to reimburse or offer a monetary gift to chaplains that he couldn’t imagine not doing so; but as you note, many had plenty of their own pocket money.

Who knows!


18 posted on 11/26/2015 10:03:39 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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Nothing at the link, but a great statement at the synopsis from Ol’ Ben.

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Revolutionary War/Founding Father ping list.


19 posted on 11/27/2015 3:53:03 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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On the bright side, somebody searched before posting. The poster won’t be roasted by the hordes for posting a dupe. We should all give thanks for that!


20 posted on 11/27/2015 6:23:48 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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