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Quoting Murtha:

"Our troops have become the enemy. We need to change direction in Iraq," said Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, a Democratic hawk whose call a day earlier for pulling out troops sparked a nasty, personal debate over the war.

See second paragraph

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/18/D8DVAQ6O3.html

"Well, I say that the fight against Americans began with Abu Ghraib. It began with the invasion of Iraq. That's when terrorism started. It didn't start when there was criticism of this administration. This administration doesn't want to listen to any ideas."

See next to last paragraph

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1525055/posts?page=39#39

My plan calls:

To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces.
To create a quick reaction force in the region.
To create an over- the- horizon presence of Marines.
To diplomatically pursue security and stability in Iraq

Our military has done everything that has been asked of them, the U.S. can not accomplish anything further in Iraq militarily. IT IS TIME TO BRING THEM HOME. (emphasis his)

Find all this near the bottom of Murtha's own web page.

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr051117iraq.html

Wish I could agree with you Willy, but there's no way I can respect this guy after what he has said.

Our troops are the enemy?
Terrorism started in 2003?
Immediate redeployment?
Diplomatic remedy?
Time to bring them home, now?

Where did you get the idea that he was not asking for immediate withdrawel?

This guy has lost it. Our troops are NOT the enemy. If he can't respect them, I cannot respect him. The terrorist campaign stated on 09/11/2001. I shouldn't have to remind Murtha of that, and the fact that I obviously need to displays a mental lapse which calls into question his abilty to think cogently.

The call for immediate redeployment and handing over the situation completely to the Iraqis, with us only supporting a diplomatic remedy, is a complete surrender to terrorism IMO. We leave when the Iraqi govenment and our military leaders say so, not one moment sooner. The Iraqi government, voted for by the people, and just weeks from formal installation has asked us to stay for a while longer. Murtha has disgraced himself with his comments.

As a general rule, I appreciate the issues you raise on this forum. Can't always agree. You take care bud.

Our troops are the enemy?

Your words, not Murtha's.

Terrorism started in 2003?

Yes. That's the year that we won, Saddam lost and the insurgency started.
If you want to put on your "I-am-a-dummy-and-don't-understand-what-he's-saying" T-shirt, go right ahead.

Immediate redeployment?

Yes, "redeployment" reflects that there IS a plan more than a simple "pullout" or "withdrawel".

Diplomatic remedy?

Yes. The Iraqis have a government.
It's time for them to start governing.

Time to bring them home, now?

Either that, or supply them with the troops necessary to END the insurgency.
And everybody knows Dubya made the political decision not to do that.