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To: bybybill
We leave after Iraq is free and able to stand on its own.

Unfortunately that's an ambiguous goal unless defined in concrete terms. For instance, Saddam is gone, Iraq is free, they've a constitution and everything. As for standing on their own, what could that possibly mean? Economically? Militarily? Seems like it would be easier for America to see the end game if the end game were better defined.

7,488 posted on 11/18/2005 9:25:16 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck

End Game: When all terrorists have ceded in Iraq. Have we pulled out of Japan or Germany??? It's only been like what SIXTY YEARS! They stand on their own, but we're still there. Who defined an "exit strategy"? That's code-speak for surrender.


7,501 posted on 11/18/2005 9:29:02 PM PST by RasterMaster ("Bin Laden shows others the road to Paradise, but never offers to go along for the ride." GWB)
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To: St.Chuck

Hmm.. you're sounding like a DU feeler there.
Echoing what Murtha said.
And you've been in thread to see how well Murthas words were taken.


7,513 posted on 11/18/2005 9:30:49 PM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: St.Chuck

It would be easy for islamofascists to see 'our end game' if defined in concrete terms. You conveniently forget we have many leakers on the floors and media more than willing to get it to The Arab press circle.


7,519 posted on 11/18/2005 9:31:56 PM PST by AliVeritas (''I'd rather have Jihadis in front of me than Democrats behind me.'' Go GOP!)
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To: St.Chuck

YOU know VERY well what the "end game" is.....it's VICTORY and stabilization....we're still in Japan, Germany, S. Korea, etc.....what's the end game there....figure those out FIRST, then get back to us.


7,547 posted on 11/18/2005 9:36:45 PM PST by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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To: St.Chuck
You must be a lawyer.
The President was very clear, (Except to a lawyer)we will leave when after Iraq is free( that means that the people pick their leaders, have the right to remove them, and can do their own thing unless the hurt others)and able to stand on their own(no body is going to invade them), then, we have mission accomplished and we are gone.
Most Marine grunts can understand and agree, course, they`re not lawyers.
7,604 posted on 11/18/2005 9:46:19 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: St.Chuck
Okay, what do you suggest we do?

Do you want America to pull a Nam cut and run?

Should America have stayed out of WW II? Should America have not rebuilt and stabalized Japan? How about Germany?

Why are you on FR? You certainly aren't a Conservative.

7,615 posted on 11/18/2005 9:49:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: St.Chuck

"Seems like it would be easier for America to see the end game if the end game were better defined."

Someone once said, "Once the shooting starts, a plan is just a guess in a party dress."


7,629 posted on 11/18/2005 9:54:25 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: St.Chuck

Well how about this for a good definition of the end goal.

When more than 3 months can go by without a single car bomb or American GI getting blown to bits by an IED. When the people of Iraq can apply for a job with the police and military without being shot and blown up while waiting in line to fill out an app. When they can vote and walk to school or the grocery store without fearing for their lives.

Oh, and of course your response will be, "yeah, that sounds good, but what's the plan? How do we do this?"

Simple, Make it clear that we are going NOWHERE until these conditions are met. If it takes 1 year or 10, the terrorists will loose and we will keep killing them until they are all dead if that's what it takes.

Talk of wanting a time table and pulling troops out does nothing but extend the process by emboldening the enemy. The only thing they need to know is that if they fight against a free Iraq they will die.

It doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure this out. Do you really need the President to tell you these things?


7,651 posted on 11/18/2005 10:04:29 PM PST by rickylc
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