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Voter ID memo stirs tension
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 11/18/05 | BOB KEMPER

Posted on 11/17/2005 8:46:51 PM PST by AZRepublican

The chief sponsor of Georgia's voter identification law told the Justice Department that if black people in her district "are not paid to vote, they don't go to the polls," and that if fewer blacks vote as a result of the new law, it is only because it would end such voting fraud.

The newly released Justice Department memo quoting state Rep. Sue Burmeister (R-Augusta) was prepared by department lawyers as the federal government considered whether to approve the new law. It also says that despite Republican assurances the law would not disenfranchise elderly, poor and black voters, Susan Laccetti Meyers, the staff adviser for the Georgia House of Representatives, told the Justice Department "the Legislature did not conduct any statistical analysis of the effect of the photo ID requirement on minority voters."

It cites analyses showing that, in fact, the effects of the law — which will require Georgians seeking to vote to present a driver's license or an identification card for which they must pay — could fall disproportionately on blacks. It concludes that the state had failed to show the law would not weaken minority voting strength, and recommends that the attorney general's office formally object to it.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; voterid; voting
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Sponsor of disputed Georgia legislation told feds that blacks in her district only vote if they are paid to do so.
1 posted on 11/17/2005 8:46:52 PM PST by AZRepublican
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To: AZRepublican

In Wisconsin the GOP has passed a voter ID law in which the state will provide free ID but the Democrat Gov. Doyle keeps vetoing it for fear of losing all those fraudulent votes.


2 posted on 11/17/2005 8:49:03 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: AZRepublican

If they have no driver's license they have no business voting anyway.


3 posted on 11/17/2005 8:50:05 PM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk

"If they have no driver's license they have no business voting anyway."

Your joking right?


4 posted on 11/17/2005 8:54:23 PM PST by PositiveCogins
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Clearly, the way to avoid duplicate voting, and to head on into the 21st century, and to prevent disenfranchised felons from voting, is to use fingerprint scanning.


5 posted on 11/17/2005 8:57:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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To: AZRepublican
Jeez, I've been voting in almost every election since I turned 21 (voting at 18 came later.)

Had I been black, I could have been paid for all of those votes and I would now have lots more money than I have now. This is definitely a case of racial disparity.

I want to know who to sue for lack of economic prosperity - is it liberal white politicians or black ministers who refused to give me "walking around" money?

6 posted on 11/17/2005 8:58:09 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: plain talk

My grandmother never had a driver's licence. She was widowed in her 40's. Raised my Dad. Owned a house. Held a respectable job. She just walked, took the bus, or had family drive her where she needed to go. No shame in that.

Besides that, if everyone had to have a driver's licence to vote, that would mean blind people and physically handicapped people who are unable to drive wouldn't be allowed to vote.

There has to be some sort of alternate photo id besides a driver's licence that's acceptable. But, what Georgia had proposed was perfectly reasonable.


7 posted on 11/17/2005 9:04:35 PM PST by ark_girl
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To: PositiveCogins

I think he means if they have no valid ID they have no bussiness voting.


8 posted on 11/17/2005 9:06:49 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: ark_girl

Ok. You make sufficient arguments. I withdraw my proposal. :-) But people that are not integrated into the society to the point of not even being able to produce some sort of identification should not be allowed to vote.


9 posted on 11/17/2005 9:15:39 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Fenris6
Got an idea. Why not make the voters registration card an ID complete with picture just like a drivers license. But I guess that would be a national ID. It's funny that our elected officials create these problems by lack of law enforcement, and then want to fix it by infringing on our rights.
10 posted on 11/17/2005 9:22:01 PM PST by PositiveCogins
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To: ark_girl; plain talk

NY offers non-driver IDs that look and work just like a drivers license, except for the driving part. IOW, they are valid ID. I got them for my kids because we homeschool and they, of course, had no school ID. These non-driver IDs were pretty inexpensive, too, about $10, if I remember correctly. And most "poor" people aren't that poor. I've seen plenty of welfare recipients who can afford to call for take out to be delivered, can afford booze, drugs, cigs, pets, videos, computers, TVs, etc. They get free health care and meds. THEY ARE NOT POOR.


11 posted on 11/17/2005 9:23:00 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: plain talk

You need identification to buy cigarettes, alcohol and in some states firearms/ammo. Somehow when it comes to voting we cannot come up with a system to ID the person.


12 posted on 11/17/2005 9:23:10 PM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: AZRepublican
At one time the vote was inviolate and sacred, today it is given to/for the highest bidder in doling out the taxpayers money. We have become a hollow shell of a America that once was.
14 posted on 11/17/2005 9:28:09 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Fenris6

I agree on having valid photo Id. What Georgia had proposed or having cards like described in New York is perfectly reasonable.

It just makes sense to prove you are who you say you are.

Not to be tacky, but how have these folks been buying booze and cigarettes without id's? I guess that sounds tacky, but we all know alot of them partake in these habits.


16 posted on 11/17/2005 9:56:05 PM PST by ark_girl
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To: ark_girl
Not to be tacky, but how have these folks been buying booze and cigarettes without id's?

Not just that. There's no excuse to not have some form of valid ID. Anyone who refuses is just trying to cheat at the ballot box. Dems are scared of a Voter ID bill b/c they have so much voter fraud, they would lose 5-10% of their margin immediately.

17 posted on 11/17/2005 10:00:25 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Fenris6

If there were no fraud, dems would never win an election ever again.


18 posted on 11/17/2005 10:23:51 PM PST by gop_gene
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To: AZRepublican

Look, it's just the AJC, not like it's a real newspaper or anything.

We do have ID cards and a provision for getting one for FREE...

Georgia Identification Card for Voting Purposes
Georgia law now provides for the issuance of a free identification card to citizens over age eighteen (18) who are registered voters. In order to be eligible for a free identification card, the voter must be indigent and have no acceptable proof of identity to use when voting. These free identification cards are issued at all Customer Service Centers and are valid for ten (10) years.
http://www.dmvs.ga.gov/drivers/

:O)

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19 posted on 11/17/2005 11:32:41 PM PST by papasmurf (I CAN tell the future, just give me a few years.)
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To: AZRepublican

FL has similar Justice Department "supervision" and they have voter ID laws. No problem in FL via disenfranchising.

There are ZERO reasons to object to ID laws. Only those seeking to preserve fraud object.


20 posted on 11/18/2005 6:36:23 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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