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To: highball

Physical evidence points to the existence of black holes but they cannot be physically apprehended. Science infers black holes exist.

Physical evidence points to the existence of an intelligent designer that cannot be physically apprehended. Science (at least for a few ideologues) concludes it is "unscientific" to infer an intelligent designer exists.

That's the kind of horse manure you'd like to sell.


828 posted on 11/17/2005 11:19:29 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

In what sense can black holes not be apprehended? Why do you day this?

Can atoms be directly apprehended?


830 posted on 11/17/2005 11:24:24 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Physical evidence points to the existence of black holes but they cannot be physically apprehended. Science infers black holes exist.

Physical evidence points to the existence of an intelligent designer that cannot be physically apprehended. Science (at least for a few ideologues) concludes it is "unscientific" to infer an intelligent designer exists.

I'm sorry, but that's a terrible comparison.

We cannot see black holes. But there is ample physical evidence to support their existence, specifically gravitational fields and the influence those fields exert on neighboring stellar bodies. That's actual, physical evidence that can be observed, measured and studied.

Where's the actual physical evidence for your designer? Where is the physical evidence that can be observed, measured and studied? Without that, your comparison is worthless.

In other words, show your work.

831 posted on 11/17/2005 11:35:59 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"Physical evidence points to the existence of an intelligent designer that cannot be physically apprehended. Science (at least for a few ideologues) concludes it is "unscientific" to infer an intelligent designer exists. "

Of course there exists an intelligent designer...he is called 'Homo sapien sapien' and he is rather easily physically apprehended. The problem we have is the lack of evidence for and information about any other intelligent designer. That is not to say that this designer does not exist, just that we have no information about his design habits, intent or practices (without making some huge assumptions).

If this putative designer happens to design exactly as we do then we should be able to, at least in some cases, discern his/her/its work. That is as long as that designer doesn't use manufacture methods we have no experience with (much of how we identify design is through obvious manufacture) and doesn't do a perfect job of emulating nature. If this alien designer thinks differently than we do and consequently has designs that do not resemble human design we will have a heck of a time discerning his/her/its work. In addition to that, what if nature *can* create phenomena that looks every bit as organized and complex as an intelligent designer (and there is no evidence that it can not)?

846 posted on 11/17/2005 12:17:13 PM PST by b_sharp
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