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To: taxed2death
Do you REALLY think that these tax cheat employers will KEEP their illegals once they are made "legal" by a shamnesty program?
Really?

Yeah. I really do. You (I think) believe that the only reason (or at least a big reason) Americans hire illegals is because they work "under the table" and they can thus screw over the guy doing it fairly. -- is that an accurate statement?

I -- otoh -- believe that this is a minor factor, and is only big in the eyes a few bad apples. What employers want is workers who show up sober, on time, work hard, and expect to be paid what they are owed.
Entry level workers like this among Americans born here are HARD to find. Freepers hate to hear it on these threads but it is the God's honest truth.
Further, the illegals working in the food service industry, in the hotel industry, in the construction industry, and in the other various service industry are NOT paid "slave wages." Framing carpenters here demand 14 dollars an hour whether they have a green card or not. That is the prevailing wage. Journeyman plumbers demand 20 - 22. Electricians get 15 an hour. Workers at Wendy's here get 7.50 and hour, and cashiers at Food Lion get 8 an hour. These are prevailing wages and there is no widespread "two tier" system in hotels, restaurants, or other institutions who employ large numbers of immigrants, legal or no.

The worst problem we have here is contractors who will employ a crew, let them finish a job and then refuse to pay, or refuse to pay on a timely basis, knowing that they will be afraid to go to the law about it.

520 posted on 11/16/2005 5:08:06 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: chronic_loser
"Entry level workers like this among American born are hard to find."

Again, I am amazed. Where do you live?
In my state, we have trade high schools. Most of these kids who graduate have spent 2 years out of 4 training in their chosen trade. You wanna know what happens when they graduate?

They rarely can get employment in their chosen fields of Heating-HVAC, the automotive repair trades, Carpentry, Electro-mechanical, etc...
Why?
Because these jobs by and large go to illegals. This is the truth....in my state, again I do not know where you live.

Now these kids have to look forward to stocking the shelves at local grocery stores...instead of getting the apprentice level jobs in their trade.
So once again, you are pitting those Americans who DO play by the rules against those who do not. Why should these apprentice jobs go to illegals? Can you tell me why you feel these jobs should not be taken by Americans who have had the training and in fact DO have the desire to do these jobs?
And yes...when I talk to dirtball employers who scout out help that are illegals, they DO tell me it is primarily because they do not have to worry about SS, Work mans Comp, Payroll taxes, OSHA, and a bunch of other alphabet soup government syndicates. That is a fact. They can cut overhead (wages) by at LEAST 30% by hiring illegals.
528 posted on 11/16/2005 6:18:08 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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