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To: Ichneumon

Maybe a more precise term would be explosion of "phyla."

You might be interested in the description given by Dr. Paul Chien, Chairman of the biology department at the University of San Francisco, after returning from studying the Cambrian-era discoveries in China:

"The general impression people get is that we began with micro-organisms, then came lowly animals that don't amount to much, and then came the birds, mammals and man.

"Scientists were looking at a very small branch of the whole animal kingdom, and they saw more complexity and advanced features in that group. But it turns out that this concept does not apply to the entire spectrum of animals or to the appearance or creation of different groups. Take all the different body plans of roundworms, flatworms, coral, jellyfish and whateverall those appeared at the very first instant.

"Most textbooks will show a live tree of evolution with the groups evolving through a long period of time. If you take that tree and chop off 99 percent of it, [what is left] is closer to reality; it's the true beginning of every group of animals, all represented at the very beginning.

"Since the Cambrian period, we have only die-off and no new groups coming about, ever. There's only one little exception citedthe group known as bryozoans, which are found in the fossil record a little later. However, most people think we just haven't found it yet; that group was probably also present in the Cambrian explosion."


274 posted on 11/13/2005 2:52:47 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Liberty Wins

What you call the very beginning happens to be three billion years into a three and a half billion year history.


275 posted on 11/13/2005 3:00:25 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Liberty Wins

Did I mention that things without bones or hard shells don't leave many fossils?


276 posted on 11/13/2005 3:04:40 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Liberty Wins; js1138; longshadow; moog; King Prout; RadioAstronomer; PatrickHenry; Coyoteman; ...
Maybe a more precise term would be explosion of "phyla."

Exactly, which is why it's such a knee-slaping howler when the ID folks mistake "phyla" for "species" in that list. It's such a bone-headed, even-a-child-should-have-caught-it error that one has to wonder just what sort of ID "scientists" are at work there.

You might be interested in the description given by Dr. Paul Chien, Chairman of the biology department at the University of San Francisco, after returning from studying the Cambrian-era discoveries in China:

Why would I be interested in the spin put on the Cambrian fossils by a paid shill of the Discovery Institute (the "ID" propaganda mill) and signator to the infamous "Wedge Document" outlining the propaganda goals of the ID movement, who has no expertise in Paleobiology or evolutionary biology, and has published no research or papers on the topic?

Why do you guys keep dipping back into the tiny "creation science" of "scientists" when you're desperate for support? Oh, right, because the vast body of *real* science doesn't actually support your dishonesties.

"The general impression people get is that we began with micro-organisms, then came lowly animals that don't amount to much, and then came the birds, mammals and man.

...because that's exactly what all the evidence shows.

"Scientists were looking at a very small branch of the whole animal kingdom, and they saw more complexity and advanced features in that group.

No, they weren't looking at "a very small branch" of the whoel animal kingdom, they saw that pattern in all branches of the animal kingdom. Is Chien lying, or just incompetent?

But it turns out that this concept does not apply to the entire spectrum of animals or to the appearance or creation of different groups.

Sure it does.

Take all the different body plans of roundworms, flatworms, coral, jellyfish and whateverall those appeared at the very first instant.

Horse manure. The "Cambrian explosion" came over a BILLION years after the appearance of the first micro-organisms, and tens of millions of years after the appearance of complex multi-celled organisms of the Vendian period.

Is it Chien's position that the "first instant" of life lasted over a billion years?

Again, is Chien lying, or just ignorant? With IDers, it's often *so* hard to tell.

"Most textbooks will show a live tree of evolution with the groups evolving through a long period of time.

Because they have.

If you take that tree and chop off 99 percent of it, [what is left] is closer to reality; it's the true beginning of every group of animals, all represented at the very beginning.

*Beginning* of the modern body plans, yes, but hardly of "every group of animals". But at that stage (in the Cambrian) the difference between, say, the early Chordata (the lineage which eventually produced us and all other birds/reptiles/mammals/fish/etc.) and the early Uniramia (the lineage which eventually produced insects and other related invertebrates) was just the difference between a wormlike organism with a central nerve bundle along its back, versus a wormlike organism with a central nerve bundle along its ventral surface.

So when Chien says something as ridiculous as the following:

"Since the Cambrian period, we have only die-off and no new groups coming about, ever.

...remember that he's twisting the facts so badly that he's claiming that the rise of fish, the rise of ambhibians, the rise of reptiles, the rise of birds, the rise of mammals, the rise of all forms of insects, the rise of octopuses/squids and other complex molluscs -- ALL these from humble Cambrian-era wormlike beginnings -- Chien is dishonestly saying that these are not "new groups coming about" at all.

Ok, he's *not* an idiot -- he's a baldfaced liar, spinning the facts so badly that they bear absolutely no resemblance to the actual facts.

How can you tell when an IDer is lying? His lips are moving.

There's only one little exception citedthe group known as bryozoans, which are found in the fossil record a little later. However, most people think we just haven't found it yet; that group was probably also present in the Cambrian explosion."

And of course, those "little exceptions" like mammals, dinosaurs, birds, etc., which Chien sort of "forgot" to mention, and which arose long, long after the Cambrian (during a period where Chien lies and says that "we have only die-off").

Gosh, it's pretty strange how mammals arose from wormlike Cambrian beginnings during a period when there was "only die-off". Exactly how did those worms "die off" and become mammals? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Liberty Wins, aren't you even *embarrassed* to post horse crap piled this high?

Say hello to your distant ancestor, kids:

That's an early chordate. Lying ID "scientist" Paul K. Chien claims that when *that* kind of creature's descendants evolved into elephants and all other vertebrates, it was *not* the rise of a "new group" of animals.

This fossil reveals another one of lying ID "scientist" Paul K. Chien's lies as well -- that's a PRECAMBRIAN chordate, which lived BEFORE the Cambrian era. But liar Chien claims that the Cambrian was the "very first instant" where "all" the major groups originated. Um, but then what's that chordate doing *before* the Cambrian?

I do have to thank Liberty Wins for one thing though -- further adding to the evidence which indicates that IDers and AECreationists are liars who will grossly twist the truth in order to dishonestly prop up their unsupportable position.

334 posted on 11/13/2005 6:36:56 PM PST by Ichneumon
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