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Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?
Tech Central Station ^ | 11/10/2005 | Uriah Kriegel

Posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:24 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin

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To: xzins

Yes, the impossibility of keeping the entirety of the law (though some people got close in human terms) was intended to show the need of a Savior.


541 posted on 11/11/2005 6:23:54 AM PST by drlevy88
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

My memory of history classes (near ancient by now) says that anti-trust legislation first came about to control John D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil.

That's the memory I'm operating on, but if it is wrong or not entirely right, then I'm willing to listen.


542 posted on 11/11/2005 6:24:21 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; P-Marlowe

There is no reason to think that the stories were not written down immediately near the events. After all, these were literate people. The archeology of the regions reveals all kinds of writings, methods, transcriptions, scribes, etc.


543 posted on 11/11/2005 6:28:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: MindBender26
What about the Gnostic Gospels. A few years ago, a few Kings decided they shouldn't be in the Bible, so they were thrown out. They tell many different stories than the King James version.

The canonization took place a LEEEEETLE further back than the KJV translation. Lol.

544 posted on 11/11/2005 6:28:44 AM PST by drlevy88
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To: drlevy88

Thank you. We agree.


545 posted on 11/11/2005 6:29:37 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

And since prophecy was guided by a prophetically active God, He made sure that what did get written down was right. So even if the story had lived on to that time only orally and had gotten cockeyed, the biblical inspiration would not be wrong. That would be like hearing a rumor than having someone who was in on the original event tell you exactly what happened.


546 posted on 11/11/2005 6:32:12 AM PST by drlevy88
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To: js1138
If I were to attribute all the living things in the world to deliberate, conscious design, I would conclude that the designer is a sadist.

From that statement I would have to conclude that you believe either:

1) God is impotent
2) God is Evil or
3) God does not exist.

Which is it?

547 posted on 11/11/2005 6:32:26 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
You can call creationism a lot of things, but PC is not one of them.

On the conrtrary - PC is the perfect description of ID.

ID ignores all evidence, because it's entirely outcome-based. It's not interested in the truth, only about promoting its political agenda.

At its heart, ID is about emotion over reason, and about not hurting anyone's feelings. That's PC.

ID is nothing more than the Religious Right's version of Political Correctness, and is every bit as silly and as dangerous as the original.

548 posted on 11/11/2005 6:33:04 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: P-Marlowe
You can call creationism a lot of things, but PC is not one of them.

On the conrtrary - PC is the perfect description of ID.

ID ignores all evidence, because it's entirely outcome-based. It's not interested in the truth, only about promoting its political agenda.

At its heart, ID is about emotion over reason, and about not hurting anyone's feelings. That's PC.

ID is nothing more than the Religious Right's version of Political Correctness, and is every bit as silly and as dangerous as the original.

549 posted on 11/11/2005 6:33:05 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: drlevy88
That would be like hearing a rumor than having

I mean, then having

550 posted on 11/11/2005 6:34:22 AM PST by drlevy88
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To: P-Marlowe

I said designer. My understanding is that ID is not a religious concept.

I would couclude, assuming that all of life is deliberately and consciously designed, that the space alien designers are evil.


551 posted on 11/11/2005 6:35:18 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: drlevy88

Excellent point. It's not like God was unaware of what had transpired.

It is clear from scripture that Moses was an educated man, and it is clear that writing was used in Egypt. The bible pictures him as literate.


552 posted on 11/11/2005 6:37:49 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: js1138
My understanding is that ID is not a religious concept.

It isn't when it is going to be taught in science class, but it is when it isn't going to be taught in science class.

553 posted on 11/11/2005 6:38:01 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: P-Marlowe

If ID is taught in schools, I think that obvious conclusion will simply jump out of any discussion of predation, parasites and disease. Any sane person would conclude that the designer of such a system must be psychopathic.


554 posted on 11/11/2005 6:38:36 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: xzins
"My memory of history classes (near ancient by now) says that anti-trust legislation first came about to control John D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil."

For political reasons. He had too much money, and *progressives* didn't like it. The same *progressives* are with us today, either the Mother Jones leftists or the Pat Buchanan *populists* on the right(which differ only superficially). All are anti-capitalists.
555 posted on 11/11/2005 6:39:11 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: highball
ID ignores all evidence, because it's entirely outcome-based. It's not interested in the truth, only about promoting its political agenda.

Do you accept as truth the first 10 words of the Bible?

Or does the Bible start out by telling lies?

556 posted on 11/11/2005 6:39:31 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

God made a way for beings to choose either to evil or good. He can certainly do whatever He pleases, but He has chosen not to be a puppeteer or a manufacturer of robots. The creation is in a tension between the goodness of God and the evil chosen first by some of the angels, then later by mankind. Satan has a say for a little while, but the creation is redeemed in the end.


557 posted on 11/11/2005 6:39:56 AM PST by drlevy88
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To: js1138

So which is it? 1, 2 or 3?


558 posted on 11/11/2005 6:41:40 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: js1138

This would be a good topic for a philosophy class. The concepts aren't that difficult.


559 posted on 11/11/2005 6:41:49 AM PST by drlevy88
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To: js1138
I would couclude, assuming that all of life is deliberately and consciously designed, that the space alien designers are evil.

Is God evil, impotent or non-existent?

560 posted on 11/11/2005 6:45:05 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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