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Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?
Tech Central Station ^ | 11/10/2005 | Uriah Kriegel

Posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:24 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin

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To: All; milford421; Coleus; gobucks

Thought this would interest you:

“Further, he (the Pope) seems to be cautioning those who have been claiming Church endorsement of the full-bodied, design-defeating version of Darwin's theory of evolution, which, after all, is often little more than philosophical materialism applied to science,” added Chapman.

Chapman noted that in his very first homily as Pope, Benedict XVI had rebuked the idea that human beings are mere products of evolution, and that, like his predecessor, John Paul II, the new Pope has a long record of opposition to scientific materialism.

excerpt from: http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=3015&program=News&callingPage=discoMainPage


481 posted on 11/10/2005 9:30:40 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: ml1954
Do you think slavery is OK with God?

As a matter of principle, religious or otherwise, are you opposed to the idea of slavery?

482 posted on 11/10/2005 9:48:48 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: zeeba neighba
Who, other than christians, speak out against [slavery]?

The famous atheist Robert Ingersoll was an abolitionist.

483 posted on 11/10/2005 9:53:14 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Junior
Remember, 79 percent of all statistics are just made up.

Cite?

;->

484 posted on 11/10/2005 10:03:34 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Virginia-American; zeeba neighba; xzins
The famous atheist Robert Ingersoll was an abolitionist.

Perhaps you have him mixed up with his father. His father, John Ingersoll, was a famous abolitionist. His Father was also a preacher, so I suspect that any abolitionist ideas he got came from his father's pulpit. I can't seem to find any abolitionist writings by Robert Ingersoll. Perhaps you have some?

485 posted on 11/10/2005 10:04:09 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: zeeba neighba; Junior
I see. So God talks to you and you choose not to listen.

God tells me that you're missing most of His message, and He wishes you'd cut it out.

486 posted on 11/10/2005 10:07:25 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: P-Marlowe
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The stone tablets are not in Exodus 20. Where does it say the stone tablets contain this text?

487 posted on 11/10/2005 10:10:38 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: JohnnyM
But there are cases, as in the one cited in Ichy's post, where more information would be needed to make an accurate classification.

Didn't stop Cuozzo, Gish, Taylor, Dowden, et al.

488 posted on 11/10/2005 10:10:56 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Essay on Robt. Ingersoll by M. M. O'Hair. She says he got abolitionism from his parents, but was an SOB on most other issues.

another essay. Google gets a lot of hits

489 posted on 11/10/2005 10:14:15 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: P-Marlowe; Doctor Stochastic; ml1954
I expected better arguments from you, Doc. Jumping on the "creationists love slavery" bandwagon is evidence of a vacuous position.

No, actually, it's right to the point. The point is that creationists/literalists/etc. actually pick and choose which parts of the Bible they want to actually adhere to, and which they're going to handwave away or ignore entirely. Most of the "God said it, that settles it" folks get awfully evasive when some of the less savory portions of the Bible are brought up for discussion. And most of the ones who don't hold positions (e.g. on slavery) that most conservatives would rightly find abhorrent.

490 posted on 11/10/2005 10:18:26 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: js1138
The stone tablets are not in Exodus 20. Where does it say the stone tablets contain this text?

What was spoken in Exodus 20 was placed on the tablets by the finger of God in Deuteronomy 9.

And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly. (Deu 9:10 KJV)

Do you accept the words of the 10 commandments?

Or are they just a bunch of hokey?

491 posted on 11/10/2005 10:20:39 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: zeeba neighba
True christians are respectful and put God's Word first.

No pork?

Bummer ...

492 posted on 11/10/2005 10:22:42 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Virginia-American
Essay on Robt. Ingersoll by M. M. O'Hair.

You'll pardon me if I don't accept a word that Madeline Murray O'Hair wrote. Hopefully you have better sources than that.

493 posted on 11/10/2005 10:24:00 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Nicholas Conradin

It is neither - it is just the simple, plain truth.


494 posted on 11/10/2005 10:25:27 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - there are countless observable clues of God's existence)
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To: P-Marlowe
Or are they just a bunch of hokey?

I guess kind of like these?

Exd 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

495 posted on 11/10/2005 10:32:43 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC

I guess.


496 posted on 11/10/2005 10:44:23 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Ichneumon
Most of the "God said it, that settles it" folks get awfully evasive when some of the less savory portions of the Bible are brought up for discussion.

Maybe you should start a thread.

497 posted on 11/10/2005 10:53:19 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; AndrewC

So God disapproves of stealing other people's slaves too. Excellent.


498 posted on 11/10/2005 10:58:41 PM PST by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: blue-duncan
How can you trust someone whose ethic is what he thinks is right at the time but might change in the next minute do to a changing circumstance?

How can I trust someone who only behaves because he is frightened of a God that I don't believe in? What if you guys get a crisis of faith?

I note the usual marxism from the creationist side in the rest of your response.

499 posted on 11/10/2005 11:00:40 PM PST by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Thatcherite; AndrewC
So God disapproves of stealing other people's slaves too. Excellent.

Exodus 21:16 actually refers to kidnapping.

500 posted on 11/10/2005 11:07:22 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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