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Curfews Don't Stop Rioting
Captains Quarters ^ | Nov. 8, 2005 | Edward Morrissey

Posted on 11/08/2005 4:43:40 AM PST by conservativecorner

The riots in France continued for a twelfth straight night as the French have turned to a two-pronged plan of curfews and offers of new social programs to stop the violent uprising that has originated from primarily Muslim neighborhoods. The new curfew laws come under the authority of a state of emergency called by the French cabinet and grant broad powers to the police to conduct raids on suspected weapons caches:

After a 12th night of violence, Nicolas Sarkozy, the Interior Minister, said state of emergency laws would be used to quell the disturbances. "We will now be able to act in a preventative manner to avoid these incidents," Mr Sarkozy said. "We will monitor, bit by bit, the evolution of events."

Among other powers, police will be able to conduct raids if they suspect weapons are being stockpiled, Mr Sarkozy said.

He did not say where or how curfews might be imposed or how long they might last, but a French government spokesman said the curfews will come into effect at midnight tonight.

The action follows a night in which almost 1200 cars were lost to arson, down just a bit from the previous night's total of 1500. The violence appears to keep spreading, however, even with the slightly lower car loss from the previous night. Yesterday the uprising claimed its first death in Stains, a Parisian suburb, and the Los Angeles Times reports that it hardly made an impression on the people in the riot zone:

Le Chenadec was part of the aging native French population that lives warily alongside the children and grandchildren of North African, Asian and black immigrants. Told they are French but treated as outsiders, the youths are adrift in joblessness, crime and, more than ever, unfocused rage. The beefy, white-mustached Le Chenadec, 61, was a retired auto worker and a leader of the residents' council in his building. On Friday, he went outside with a neighbor to check on a fire ignited in garbage cans — a spark compared with the walls of flame that have swept this depressed region north of Paris.

A man of about 20 approached and exchanged words with the two residents. Then he knocked Le Chenadec to the pavement with a crushing punch. The assailant has not been captured. ...

No one on the boulevard admitted participating in the riots. Nor did they excuse the death of Le Chenadec. But one muttered that the dead man had a reputation for belligerence and comments with a racist tinge.

"The kind of French guy with a mean dog who was always saying, 'This is my building, back off,' that kind of thing," said a neighbor who asked to remain anonymous.

The Guardian (UK) presumes that Le Chenandec confronted the rioters before having been beaten into a coma -- without benefit of any quotes or sources -- where the LAT report at least digs up some witness testimony that suggests the man's only problem was a reputation for irascibility when it came to trespassers and troublemakers. The Guardian also reports that the French government has targeted that same segment for a new, sweeping social program designed to mollify what it sees as the leading cause of the social unrest over the past fortnight:

Mr de Villepin added that the government aimed to give more funds to community associations, accelerate housing renovation, offer individual attention to jobseekers, and ensure France's education was better suited to the needs of the suburbs, by offering apprenticeships from age 14 for those failing at school, and scholarships to those succeeding. "We have to offer hope," he said. Meanwhile, the Guardian took the rare step in the media to check on what the Muslim community leaders were doing regarding the violence. The paper states that Muslim leadership is "unlikely" as an organization linked to the Muslim Brotherhood issued a fatwa against violence earlier during the rioting. However, that fatwa was rejected by the nation's Muslim Council and the Grand Mosque of Paris -- and the notion that the Muslim Brotherhood suddenly stands for peace and violence-free, spiritual jihad seems rather ludicrous.

The French may hope to ride out the violence and buy off some of the leaders with a few new social programs they can ill afford, considering the problems they have paying their bills now. However, the escalating violence and the direct confrontation shown towards French security forces -- and the latter's unwillingness to engage -- shows a serious threat to French stability that has much more than the over-eager energies of youth as a cause. No one still wants to talk about the Algerian threats from six weeks ago, nor the follow-up intelligence reported by the Post that points to Islamist instigation of the uprising. The media has remained silent on these points despite having all but connected the dots towards an eventual attack on France as late as October 19th, less than a fortnight before the uprising.

Until the French take the threat seriously, every offer they make of social programs and concessions to autonomy will only encourage the violence to continue until the Islamists get the Bantustans they want in the heart of Europe -- ministates from which they can launch an all-out offensive against the West, similar to the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the Middle East.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; insurgency; intifada; jihad; quagmire; surrender; terrorism; uprising
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1 posted on 11/08/2005 4:43:41 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
. . . . offers of new social programs to stop the violent uprising

LOL! Get the white flag ready froggy.

2 posted on 11/08/2005 4:51:10 AM PST by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: conservativecorner

There must be no parents in France.


3 posted on 11/08/2005 4:51:43 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: conservativecorner
Curfews Don't Stop Rioting

They do if violators are shot on sight...

4 posted on 11/08/2005 4:54:14 AM PST by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Publius6961

exactly what needs to be done.......


5 posted on 11/08/2005 5:07:33 AM PST by fatteddy (teddy Kennedy .............liberal scum)
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To: conservativecorner
Perfect way to take over a nation....use your young as the Palys do...

Get them to riot and kill police and firemen....then offer them the opportunity to 'take over' more and more of your institutions..

They will begin to cry..."Not enough muzzie police and fire and educators not enough Muslim education in the public schools"...

So give them more and more affirmative action and make up hate crime laws that protect only them...give them free medical and dental,give them college degrees and they don't even have to attend classes,give them high paying government jobs only they can have and require the degrees you gave them,give them leadership positions in
the military, protect them from creditors,give them government backed business loans they don't have to pay back and while their business are failing give them grants to keep them going..and likewise housing loans, pay them the spoils of war without having expended any energy defending yourselves. etc etc etc...

France..."Camp of the Saints"...
7 posted on 11/08/2005 5:28:15 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: conservativecorner

"...offers [BRIBES!] of new social programs to stop the violent uprising that has originated from primarily Muslim neighborhoods."

I wonder if feeble France's failed socialist economy and its fragile society can afford "new social programs" patronizing "alienated" Muslims.

Cultivating bad seeds...


8 posted on 11/08/2005 5:29:01 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor!)
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To: purpleland

They should also give them FREE Koolaid.......


9 posted on 11/08/2005 6:03:05 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: conservativecorner

Social programs to quell insurgents? Maybe the surrender monkeys will get a clue when they're burning down government buildings with them in it......but it will be to late at that point.


10 posted on 11/08/2005 6:07:06 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances – and it advances relentlessly – freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Youngman442002

Midnight Basketball.


11 posted on 11/08/2005 6:07:39 AM PST by sitkaspruce
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To: Youngman442002

"They should also give them FREE Koolaid......."

Figuratively speaking, of course. Either deport the "alienated" incompatibles, or secede France to them now to avoid the inevitable takeover.

Reality proves and history attests that some values are never equal, some diverse peoples are never compatible, and colliding cultures can be so explosive that synthesis is impossible, and only pathetic fragments remain.



12 posted on 11/08/2005 6:58:33 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor!)
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To: bonfire

"There must be no parents in France."

The family tradition is "Menage a trois".


13 posted on 11/08/2005 7:00:25 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor!)
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To: conservativecorner

Curfews Don't Stop Rioting
 

Time to take the gloves off: Tickets & fines for loitering.


14 posted on 11/08/2005 7:02:22 AM PST by Fintan (I'm planting my tagline bulbs for the spring.)
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To: conservativecorner
If the curfews don't work then they should be grounded for a month and lose their driving privileges.

Oh yeah, and NO TV.

15 posted on 11/08/2005 7:25:56 AM PST by lwd
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To: purpleland

LOL! Probably all men, too.


16 posted on 11/08/2005 7:37:46 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: bonfire

"LOL! Probably all men, too."

It's Gay Paree...as the saying goes.


17 posted on 11/08/2005 7:52:50 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor!)
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To: Youngman442002

Hey, how about this for diffusing riots?

"The sonic device that helped ward off the attack, known as a Long Range Acoustic Device, or LRAD, is a so-called "non-lethal weapon" developed for the military after the 2000 attack on the USS Cole in Yemen as a way to keep operators of small boats from approaching U.S. warships. Makers of the device compare its shrill tone to that of smoke detectors, only much louder."


18 posted on 11/08/2005 8:02:46 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor!)
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To: TonyRo76
» curfews and offers of new social programs to stop the violent uprising BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

"Hopeless. Absolutely hopeless." --Lucy Van Pelt

19 posted on 11/08/2005 8:04:37 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: purpleland

ooo la la


20 posted on 11/08/2005 8:07:34 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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