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A country in flames… French cities teeter on the edge of anarchy
Telegraph ^ | 11/06/05 | Kim Willsher

Posted on 11/05/2005 4:38:33 PM PST by Pikamax

A country in flames… French cities teeter on the edge of anarchy By Kim Willsher in Clichy-sous-Bois, Paris (Filed: 06/11/2005)

In pictures: Paris burns after week of rioting

Gangs of youths were once again on the rampage across France last night as the guerilla warfare, which has engulfed a string of Paris suburbs for more than a week, took hold in cities throughout the country.

Firemen battle a warehouse fire in Aubervilliers

Rioters played cat-and-mouse with the police, swooping to set fire to buses, public buildings, shops, factories and in one case a crèche before disappearing, leaving a trail of destruction.

Yesterday, after a ninth consecutive night in which rioters boasted they had made parts of France "like Baghdad", more than 750 cars had been set ablaze, the highest tally on a single night so far.

Police arrested 203 people including a 10-year-old boy, who was caught clutching a bottle of petrol.

Over the past 10 days riots, arson attacks and violent clashes have spread from the notorious banlieues of Paris - the grim housing estates that are home to many of the country's large North African immigrant community - to the rest of the country.

Yesterday officials reported incidents erupting from Rennes in the west, to Toulouse in the south and Strasbourg in the east.

Despite a string of emergency meetings and the drafting of 1,500 members of the CRS riot squads into the Paris suburbs, police and politicians have failed to control the worst violence the city has experienced since the riots of May 1968.

In the early hours of yesterday, gangs of youths threw blazing rubbish bins across the streets and set fire to cars, many of which belonged to their own neighbours.

The acrid smell of burning rubber and refuse filled the air and plumes of flames shot skywards, their orange glow illuminating the grim high-rise blocks, which have become France's 21st century ghettos.

A burnt van in Aulnay-sous-Bois, north-east of Paris

Above one desolate street on the outskirts of Paris, a helicopter clattered but firefighters were forced to watch helplessly as a car burnt itself out. Any attempt to approach it resulted in a terrifying hail of stones, Molotov cocktails and other missiles.

Elsewhere in France, fire officers were pelted with metal petanque balls, car batteries and even cooking pots.

The commander of Paris's 14th Fire Brigade, Captain Sébastian Lamoureux, said his force had adopted tactics learnt from its counterpart in Northern Ireland and launched their rarely used "Urban Trouble" plan.

Fire engines had been ordered not to leave their station without a support vehicle and a police escort, he said.

"We don't get involved unless there's a danger of the fire spreading. Otherwise we leave the vehicle or the rubbish bin to burn itself out."

The renewed violence erupted hours after Dominique de Villepin, the French prime minister, repeated calls for calm and summoned young representatives from the Paris suburbs to his office for talks.

"I think he appreciated meeting us and learnt something. It was a good initiative for him to take," said Anyss Arbib, one of the representatives.

"There needs to be better relations and communications between the police and the people in the banlieues."

Residents pass a burned car in Aulnay-sous-Bois

The first violence was triggered after a routine police patrol in the district of Chêne-Pointu in Clichy-sous-Bois, north-east Paris. The districts of Clichy are typical of the outer-Paris sink estates, which are home to many second and third generation immigrant families. The French Fifth Republic expects them to bury their own customs in the name of integration and consequently they have discovered there is more liberté, egalité and fraternité for some than others.

Across France some 751 neighbourhoods, housing around five million people, are classified as severely disadvantaged. In Clichy, less than 10 miles from the chic Champs Elysées, half the 28,000 population is under 25 and unemployment is more than double the national average of 10 per cent.

The incident which triggered France's most violent convulsion for almost 40 years began on the evening of October 27, as police officers approached a group of youths, most of North African descent, returning from a football match. Some of them panicked and ran.

"We all do it. You don't hang around and wait to be pushed around or arrested for nothing," said one Clichy teenager.

Terrified that the police were chasing them, which the officers have denied, three fled towards an electricity sub-station. Ignoring the danger signs, they scrambled over 10ft walls topped with three rows of barbed wire. Minutes later two of them, aged 15 and 17, were electrocuted and died. Miraculously the third survived, but was seriously burnt. As word of the tragedy spread, the anger and frustration never far below the surface of the banlieues erupted. Angry youngsters have pledged to keep fighting so their friends did not "die for nothing".

Many of them also blame the tough-talking interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, for making matters worse. He has described the rioters as "scum" and threatened to "hose down" the estates to get rid of them.

"He's disrespected us, which is a declaration of war," one young man told the Sunday Telegraph as he surveyed one of Clichy's housing estates that was dotted with piles of ash and broken glass. "Those guys, our friends, died for nothing and we're being dissed. Someone has to say sorry."

Since then politicians, social commentators and journalists have been picking over France's failure to integrate its burgeoning immigrant population.

"The Republic is not keeping its promise of liberty, equality and fraternity," thundered the respected sociologist, Michel Wieviorka, in the Libération newspaper. "Cultural identities are not sufficiently recognised and there is no longer any mediation between the inhabitants of these areas and the politicians. It's a total crisis."

Yet while the violence has dominated French media all week, most citizens are otherwise unaffected by the tumult - an indication of just how detached from mainstream French life those living on the troubled housing estates have become.

This weekend, even residents sympathetic to the rioters called for a halt to violence. One 30-year-old Moroccan, whose car had been torched by local youths, said: "Obviously I'm angry with the youths who are burning the cars of people living in their own area."

Yet many agree that Mr Sarkozy is partly to blame. The interior minister was unrepentant, however. "This minority of hooligans and assassins must not be confused with the immense majority of youngsters in the banlieues," he said. "I refuse to let these organised gangs make the law. The Republican state will not give in."


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KEYWORDS: france; frenchmuslims; parisriots
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To: Pikamax

"Police arrested 203 people including a 10-year-old boy, who was caught clutching a bottle of petrol."

A lawn boy has been profiled. Was there a towel on his to absorb the sweat?


21 posted on 11/05/2005 4:54:14 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: Paladin2

Better yet, will the UN fine France for violating the accord? Enquiring minds want to know.


22 posted on 11/05/2005 4:55:15 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: Pikamax

Wake up and smell the Molotov cocktails. It's a quagmire!


23 posted on 11/05/2005 4:55:22 PM PST by sono (That was a metaphor. You DO know what a metaphor is? - Z Miller)
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To: hsalaw

Now, now. Let's not profile.


24 posted on 11/05/2005 4:55:47 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: Pikamax

You just had to know that French Revolution thing was going to come back to bite them on the butt. ;-)


25 posted on 11/05/2005 4:57:10 PM PST by Catholic Iowan
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To: Pikamax

26 posted on 11/05/2005 4:57:37 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: Pikamax

Anything stand out glaringly missing in the article?

One word.

Muslim.


27 posted on 11/05/2005 4:58:11 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Pikamax
Yet while the violence has dominated French media all week, most citizens are otherwise unaffected by the tumult - an indication of just how detached from mainstream French life those living on the troubled housing estates have become.

They look at their country burning to the ground and they can barely stifle a yawn. I would say they will get what they deserve, but we will have to take action to prevent their nuclear arsenal from falling into the hands of the Islamists.

28 posted on 11/05/2005 4:58:57 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances – and it advances relentlessly – freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Pikamax

Maybe they'd stop burning things if Clinton apologized.


29 posted on 11/05/2005 4:59:34 PM PST by GBA
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To: Paladin2
How will France be able to meet the Koyoto Agreement?

Tisk, tisk. Burning rubber tires; certainly a carcinogen. Paint fumes. Petrol. It's a walking code violation. Perhaps France can put in a call to the U.N.. After meeting for say, 7 or 8 months, the U.N. can issue a statement condemning the action of these youths. That should do the trick!

30 posted on 11/05/2005 5:00:58 PM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Pittsburg Phil

"Shot to kill and deport what's left. what's the problem?"

Philip, we are not talking about taking the trash out and placing it in a god forsaken dump, of all things. Do you have any compassion, man?

Why, you must be some animal, or maybe you have been inhaling steel mill fumes for way too long.

How can I say this...Tolerance is a virtue and I, for one, will do everything in my power to help these poor souls through there torment.

If only I could find the hose to put out my grandmother I would help you with this venture. Oh, crap. She has done it now....she has set off my smoke alarm....


31 posted on 11/05/2005 5:02:15 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: Pikamax

The Euro is going to plunge 5% next week. Short the forex.


32 posted on 11/05/2005 5:02:21 PM PST by montag813
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To: commonasdirt

Betcha if it gets too bad...they will come crawling to the US or England to once again bail their butts out.


33 posted on 11/05/2005 5:04:25 PM PST by Txsleuth (I am the real TXSLEUTH...please freepmail me if you doubt it.)
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To: Publius6961
"He's disrespected us, which is a declaration of war," one young man told the Sunday Telegraph as he surveyed one of Clichy's housing estates that was dotted with piles of ash and broken glass. "Those guys, our friends, died for nothing and we're being dissed. Someone has to say sorry."

This is the lexicon of losers.

It reminded me of the gangbangers here in L.A.

34 posted on 11/05/2005 5:08:23 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Pikamax

I went to LeFigaro to get the French coverage and found this ditty:
http://www.lefigaro.fr/societe/20051105.FIG0002.html

"L'islam ne joue pas un rôle déterminant dans la propagation des troubles"

Right. Islam isn't the cause of this. Further in the body of the text is the news about cops lobbing teargas in a mosque, apparently insulting the burkababes and just making comments that set off more nastys.

This is the interesting quote and one that somebody needs to analyze:

"De leur côté, «les islamistes radicaux ont plutôt intérêt à ce que le calme revienne, pour agir tranquillement», analyse Alain Bauer, président de l'Observation national de la délinquance. Les cités de Seine-Saint-Denis où l'islam radical est bien implanté n'ont d'ailleurs pas flambé."

The radical Islamists want calm to return, in their best interest.

What floors me is that they know the Islamofascists are there, that they are watching, and don't think they are coordinating this thing?

Admittedly, my French is not the best, but from all the articles in LeFigaro, I'm getting the impression that the French authorities are bailing this boat with Swiss cheese.


35 posted on 11/05/2005 5:13:14 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: traderrob6
"What do decades of idle submission and spineless obeisance under the guise of tolerance reap?"


Good question!! One we, as a nation, might ask of ourselves!!


On the whole, we seem to be oblivious to what is actually happening right here on our own soil, let alone what is happening elsewhere.
Sure, we all hear about the "protests" and we shake our heads and mutter about what a bunch of idiots these people are - but do we ever look closely at who these idiots are, what they are protesting or, more importantly, what they are advocating?


The following is just a small collection of images collected from recent protests here in the US -



I refrained from including the more vulgar images but this is a fair representation of the philosophies embraced by the base the cRats are currently grooming and catering to.


36 posted on 11/05/2005 5:14:27 PM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Zacs Mom

The good old "shoot to kill" order would be hiliarous watching these dirtbags running like the cowaeds they are.


37 posted on 11/05/2005 5:18:01 PM PST by bfree (Liberals are evil and should be eliminated)
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To: Pikamax

All they have to do is kill a few of these rioters, and the riots will stop.


38 posted on 11/05/2005 5:21:31 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: liberallarry; MadIvan

" Could we have a little tabloid journalism here, a little sensationalist exageration?"

This is from the Daily Telegraph, one of the most respected broadsheets in the United Kingdom. It wouldn't go overtly sensationalistic, would it?

But then, given how historically Britain has viewed France, it may not be surprising if the British go hyperbolic...

Ping to Ivan!


39 posted on 11/05/2005 5:30:09 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: liberallarry
Could we have a little tabloid journalism here, a little sensationalist exageration?

liberallarry complaining about tabloid journalism and exaggeration. LOL

40 posted on 11/05/2005 5:47:59 PM PST by MontanaBeth (Never under estimate the enemy.)
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