Muslims Riot in France, Denmark

Jyllands-Posten ^ | 11/1/2005 | Erik Thomle translated by Viking Observer

[chronic_loser]

I misquoted. The rate is actually .3%, and there is functionally NO growth by conversions . Actually, there is very little "growth by conversion" by Islam anywhere in the world. Islam is "growing" by state rule over countries of poor illiterate peasants which have booming populations. The vast majority of them are ignorant, poor, dirty (to the point that their biggest concern is clean drinking water), exploited and destitute. The only thing they have is the ability to multiply. Even Muslims in Europe tend to have declining birth rates.

For a couple of interesting links try here:
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-fastest-growing.htm"

and

here:(this is a published military study on the lack of a realistic muslim terrorist threat from the Carribean and Latin America)
http://pdfdl.oceighty.net/pdf2html.php?url=https://research.maxwell.af.mil/papers/ay2004/affellows/Connell.pdf

I am only interested in the issue because of the hypocritical howls of alarms of the "close the borders" crowd who find no lie too unsubstantiated to enlist in their arguments that we should lock down the borders and expel all illegal immigrants. There is simply no support for there being a credible threat of Mexican Islamists or numbers of Islamic terrorists slipping across the border from Mexico, yet they breathlessly hang on to every rumor published in World Net Daily as though it descended from Mt. Sinai with Moses. If they were REALLY concerned about terror and an undefended border, they would focus on Canada, where there are tons of Islamic radicals and a documented history of illegals crossing to do us harm. However, when you are a liar with an agenda, any "facts" will do.

[chronic_loser]

If radical Islamists take over Europe, including the UK-what chance do we have to survive? We have millions of Muslims in this country-will they join the radicals-either by choice or intimidation?

People get scared enough and we do all sorts of things. Do you think that because we are paying reparations to Japanese American citizens for interrment during WWII that we would be somehow unable to do so again? Let Islam push hard enough and they will be amazed at how quickly the "welcome" mat is rolled back up and a whole batch of Muslim males find themselves the lucky(!) posessors of one way tickets to London, or Cairo, or Beirut, or wherever.

[PaRebel]

Yes, I'm aware of that as well.

If one steps back a bit, the picture can be seen in its entirety, and it is not pretty! Most folks simply concentrate on the current without putting it into context. In that way, they fail to see that all Western nations are being invaded by the third world, however slowly. Slowly or quickly, it's still an invasion.

After all, what do you call upwards of 1 million illegals per year pouring into the US?

[GOP_1900AD]

Therefore, all out war against the most radical Muslims (who, coincedently have the most kids) would turn the trend around.

[apro]

{quote}"There is simply no support for there being a credible threat of Mexican Islamists or numbers of Islamic terrorists slipping across the border from Mexico, yet they breathlessly hang on to every rumor published in World Net Daily as though it descended from Mt. Sinai with Moses."{quote}

Au contraire mon frair. Home Land Security & the FBI do have credible threats of terrorists acrossing the border from Mexico...and no it does not come from the "imaginary" world of the World Net Daily.

"The U.S. Government has done an extensive amount of research on the Matricula Consular, to assess its viability as a reliable means of identification. The Department of Justice and the FBI have concluded that the Matricula Consular is not a reliable form of identification, due to the non-existence of any means of verifying the true identity of the card holder. The following are the primary problems with the Matricula Consular that allow criminals to fraudulently obtain the cards:

First, the Government of Mexico has no centralized database to coordinate the issuance of consular ID cards. This allows multiple cards to be issued under the same name, the same address, or with the same photograph.

Second, the Government of Mexico has no interconnected databases to provide intra-consular communication to be able to verify who has or has not applied for or received a consular ID card.

Third, the Government of Mexico issues the card to anyone who can produce a Mexican birth certificate and one other form of identity, including documents of very low reliability. Mexican birth certificates are easy to forge and they are a major item on the product list of the fraudulent document trade currently flourishing across the country and around the world. A September 2002 bust of a document production operation in Washington state illustrated the size of this trade. A huge cache of fake Mexican birth certificates was discovered. It is our belief that the primary reason a market for these birth certificates exists is the demand for fraudulently-obtained Matricula Consular cards.

Fourth, in some locations, when an individual seeking a Matricula Consular is unable to produce any documents whatsoever, he will still be issued a Matricula Consular by the Mexican consular official, if he fills out a questionnaire and satisfies the official that he is who he purports to be.

In addition to being vulnerable to fraud, the Matricula Consular is also vulnerable to forgery. There have been several generations of the card; and even the newest version can be easily replicated, despite its security features. It is our estimate that more than 90 percent of Matricula Consular cards now in circulation are earlier versions of the card, which are little more than simple laminated cards without any security features.

As a result of these problems, there are two major criminal threats posed by the cards, and one potential terrorist threat.

The first criminal threat stems from the fact that the Matricula Consular can be a perfect breeder document for establishing a false identity. It is our understanding that as many as 13 states currently accept the Matricula Consular for the purpose of obtaining a drivers' license. Once in possession of a driver's license, a criminal is well on his way to using the false identity to facilitate a variety of crimes, from money laundering to check fraud. And of course, the false identity serves to conceal a criminal who is already being sought by law enforcement. Individuals have been arrested with multiple Matricula Consular cards in their possession, each with the same photograph, but with a different name. Matching these false Matriculas are false driver's licenses, also found in the criminals' possession. Such false identities are particularly useful to facilitate the crime of money laundering, as the criminal is able to establish one or more bank accounts under completely fictitious names. Accounts based upon such fraudulent premises greatly hamper money-laundering investigations once the criminal activity is discovered. As the Subcommittee is well aware, the FBI is particularly concerned about fraudulent financial transactions in the post 9/11 environment, given the fact that foreign terrorists often rely on money transferred from within the United States.

The second criminal threat is that of alien smuggling, a crime that has resulted in many deaths within the past year. Federal officials have arrested alien smugglers who have had as many as seven different Matricula Consular cards in their possession. The cards not only conceal the identity of the smuggler, they also serve as a magnet for the victims who are enticed to entrust their lives to the smugglers, believing that the Matricula Consular that awaits them will entitle them to all sorts of benefits within the United States.

These criminal threats are significant, but it is the terrorist threat presented by the Matricula Consular that is most worrisome. Federal officials have discovered individuals from many different countries in possession of the Matricula Consular card. Most of these individuals are citizens of other Central or South American countries. However, at least one individual of Middle Eastern descent has also been arrested in possession of the Matricula Consular card. The ability of foreign nationals to use the Matricula Consular to create a well-documented, but fictitious, identity in the United States provides an opportunity for terrorists to move freely within the United States without triggering name-based watch lists that are disseminated to local police officers. It also allows them to board planes without revealing their true identity. All of these threats are in addition to the transfer of terrorist funds, mentioned earlier."
Steve McCraw, Assistant Director of The Office of Intelligence, FBI - 2003

Full article can be read below:
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/mccraw062603.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20040819/a_fbi19.art.htm

The scary thing is the article below by Congresswomane Pelosi:
http://www.house.gov/pelosi/matricula.html

{quote}"If they were REALLY concerned about terror and an undefended border, they would focus on Canada, where there are tons of Islamic radicals and a documented history of illegals crossing to do us harm. However, when you are a liar with an agenda, any "facts" will do."{quote}

Oh, they ARE concerned about BOTH borders and given the vast amount of land on both our Southern and Northern boarders combined with the LIMITED resources available to our government to patrol both sides, its not a question of "if" it will happen BUT "when" will it happen:

The report below is a 90 page report by the Library of Congress on the subject matter. It list six profilse of alleged operatives of Islamic Fundamentalists groups which include Al Qaeda cells which operate in the TBA[Tri Boarder Area] of Latin America. If these groups wanted to send operatives across the very loosely patrol borders of Mexico and the USA they would eventually succeed in doing so. FWIW, one of the master minds behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, Marwan 'Adnan al-Qadi was arrested in Paraguay before escaping again. So no, I wouldn't say the threat is NOT real:
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/TerrOrgCrime_TBA.pdf

[Pelham]

The best response to a black knitted hood is to put a bullet through it.

My thought exactly.

[Pelham]

This administration is helping it happen here.

[Pelham]

He's surely referring to the wave of violent revolutions that spread across Europe in 1848, beginning in Paris.

[Pelham]

Lol! But then we shouldn't confuse 'the Danes' with our own Duh-ane.

[Pelham]

After all, what do you call upwards of 1 million illegals per year pouring into the US?

"Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande"

At least that's what one scofflaw, oathbreaking politician calls it.

[humblegunner]

France always strives to be first in these matters..

I'm sayin' bro...

[fallujah-nuker]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! LOL

[SamAdams76]

When you go from having 323 to 917 it is almost a 300% rise, but it is still statistically meaningless.

2004 = 323
2005 = 917
2006 = 2,751
2007 = 8,253
2008 = 24,759
2009 = 74,277
2010 = 222,831
2011 = 668,493
2012 = 2,005,479
2013 = 6,016,437
2014 = 18,049,311
2015 = 54,147,933
2016 = 162,433,799
2017 = 487,331,397
2018 = 1,461,994,991
2019 = 4,385,982,573
2020 = 13,157,947,719

[chronic_loser]

2004 = 323
2005 = 917
2006 = 2,751
2007 = 8,253
2008 = 24,759
2009 = 74,277
2010 = 222,831
2011 = 668,493
2012 = 2,005,479
2013 = 6,016,437
2014 = 18,049,311
2015 = 54,147,933
2016 = 162,433,799
2017 = 487,331,397
2018 = 1,461,994,991
2019 = 4,385,982,573
2020 = 13,157,947,719

By your logic the number of converts to Christianity would have populated 1.87 x 10^82 planets with our PRESENT population (using 7 billion as an estimate) by 150 AD, and Mohammed would have had no one to convert 470 years later. (11 converts each converting one person a year, and that person converting one, etc) Don't be stupid. The point is that statistical rises in something are skewed if you have a very small population to begin with. You extrapolating that rise in percentage terms over a period of years shows you have no idea what you are even trying to do, except copy fields in a spreadsheet. Muslims screeching about a x per cent rise in certain countries of those professing the faith is meaningless if you have a small population to begin with (there are precious few places where muslims have a 300 per cent increase, anyway, none that I know of). That, plus the fact that Muslims do NOT grow via conversions but by immigration and childbirth is the point at issue.