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Brooks summarizes: "So some Democrats were not content with Libby's indictment, but had to stretch, distort and exaggerate. The tragic thing is that at the exact moment when the Republican Party is staggering under the weight of its own mistakes, the Democratic Party's loudest voices are in the grip of passions that render them untrustworthy."

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Question: Since Harry Truman, were they ever trustworthy? Did I miss it entirely?

1 posted on 10/29/2005 11:19:26 PM PDT by STARWISE
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I say the article pretty much surmises the dying convulsion of a very sick party... the really question is aside from the hard left is there anyone willing to try to revive them.


2 posted on 10/29/2005 11:21:50 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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Hillary's "Vast Rightwing Conspiracy" explained


4 posted on 10/29/2005 11:23:33 PM PDT by adamsjas
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broad conspiracy to out a covert agent

Quit reading here.

No covert agent = no "outing" = no case = the rape of American taxpayers to the tune of $700,000.

I want a refund!

5 posted on 10/29/2005 11:23:53 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on.)
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Why are these people so compulsively overheated?

Because they are guilty of that which they accuse others. They are foaming mad because believing the worse of their enemies is all they can do to rationalize their own immorality.

Sanity and their belief systems are inversely proportional. Hence, their paranioa is to be expected.

7 posted on 10/29/2005 11:28:32 PM PDT by Diplomat (Give me a real Conservative on the Supreme Court, or give me Republican party death!)
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"Leading Democratic politicians filled the air with grand conspiracy theories that would be at home in the John Birch Society."

I didn't see any leading Democratic politic ans painting grand conspiracy theories. What I saw were leading members of the main stream media painting grand conspiracy theories that proved to be untrue. What I saw was reporter after reporter,saying grand jury sources said Rove was going to be indicted for every possible crime. I saw main stream reporters saying sources close to the investigation said Cheney might be indicted.

In 99.0 percent of the stories the sources were always listed as people close to the investigation or those knowledgeable about the grand jury.Sometimes the sources were those who know what is going on in the Grand jury.

There were few if any sources listed as prominent democrats.

It is a standard media technique.

When the Media gets caught telling lies about Republicans they always say the Democrats made us do it.


8 posted on 10/29/2005 11:28:40 PM PDT by Common Tator
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What needs to be found out is who kept leaking all this information from the grand jury over the past two years to the liberal news media....

Catch them and put them in jail for life.


9 posted on 10/29/2005 11:30:12 PM PDT by Andrew_Kalionzes
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bttt


12 posted on 10/29/2005 11:34:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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Hofstadter argued that sometimes people who are dispossessed, who feel their country has been taken away from them and their kind, develop an angry, suspicious and conspiratorial frame of mind.

Gosh, I can't understand why conservatives might feel that way. Having your rights systematically volated and the Constitution trashed might have something to do with it.

16 posted on 10/29/2005 11:38:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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""Why are these people so compulsively overheated?.. Why do they have to slather on wild, unsupported charges that do little more than make them look unhinged?"

It's all 'payback' for what they perceive was the unfair attacks on their lusty, lying, cheating, America-hating hero, Bill Clinton. They say: "big deal, Clinton lied about a woman, and look what they did to him".

What they fail to see is that any man who will repeatedly cheat on and disgrace his wife and daughter, himself, the Office he holds and the country he represents, will also lie and cheat about other things, including some very important things. If he could hurt and disgrace his own family without conscience, time and again, then he could not be trusted with anything, let alone leading America and the entire free world. He laughs at the stupid constituents who voted for him while they defend him and attack Bush.

They love this weasel Clinton and loved being led by him; this is all we need to know to understand how these people think, and why they hate Bush so much.

19 posted on 10/29/2005 11:41:04 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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"Why are these people so compulsively overheated?..

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Projection.

Liberals see in conservatives, their own motivations. Where a liberal will usually speak to manipulate, conservatives for the most part speak honestly.

Liberals just don't get that. They believe everyone is as underhanded and dishonest as they are.

Therefore, they read awful intentions into those they disagree with. Thus - the fruitcake nature of liberals.

It's all pop psychology, granted, but with liberals it really seems to apply.


21 posted on 10/29/2005 11:46:24 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (There's nothing sarcastic in this post. Sure there isn't. Not one bit.)
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The Democrats are fermenting in self hatred because they stood up and supported an impeached liar under oath and effectively side with and encourage terrorists to murder innocent people in Iraq while they constantly demand we abandon helping the Iraqis to be free.

Then add to that all the usual issues where they stand, like being barbaric murderers with abortion and undermining the family unit by promoting homosexual agendas.

When you finally get right down to it, any reasonable person would eventually become so guilt ridden that they would fail to function as well reasoned adults.

Just listen to most any democrat these days and notice how they actually talk and sound like ignorant children, because in their minds they have to digress back to a state of childhood in order to live with their atrocious stances on the political playing field. And like children are sometimes able to do, they lash out compulsively with intense and unabashed hatred until they are red in the face.

Look at how well they all understood and explained Clinton's ability "to compartmentalize in his mind." They weren't complaining about that, they were applauding it. But when you take that kind of existence to a large scale or group of people like the Democrat party in general, many in fact are not the BS expert Clinton is and so the y become unglued and wild eyed.

What we are learning most from the Democrats these days is exactly how much they hate themselves and it a scary thing to watch and listen to.
25 posted on 10/29/2005 11:59:43 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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""Why are these people so compulsively overheated?.. Why do they have to slather on wild, unsupported charges that do little more than make them look unhinged? "

Only just because they ARE completely and compulsively overheated, unhinged, and screeching about some "perceived mortal affront". Just like on the TV series "COPS".

28 posted on 10/30/2005 12:33:14 AM PDT by de Buillion (Perspective: 2000 dead Heroes in 3 +yr vs. 3589 abortions EVERY DAY , 1999, USA.)
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"Why are these people so compulsively overheated?.. Probably because they are uneducated morons.
36 posted on 10/30/2005 12:50:41 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: STARWISE; wretchard; Howlin; Travis McGee; blam; Squantos; Bommer; Lazamataz; SJackson; yonif; ...

The Democrats and the news media are "unhinged" because liberalism can't win on its own merits.

Abortion didn't win. Nationalizing healthcare didn't win. Putting gays in the military didn't win. Gun Control didn't win. Raising taxes didn't win. Appeasing terrorists didn't win. Kyoto global warming nonsense didn't win. They couldn't even stop the deployment of our national missile defenses.

In the battle of ideas, liberals have lost every national battle (see above).

Which brings us to why they are unhinged. Unable to win on their own merits, liberals have placed all of their bets on winning via scandals.

They want to arrest Tom DeLay. They want to impeach VP Cheney. They want to jail Rush Limbaugh. We "rushed" to war; then we took too long...were in a "quagmire."

We had too few troops in Iraq, then later they said we needed to bring 20,000 troops home for Christmas (i.e. had too many). We put panties on the heads of terrorists in Afghanistan (e.g. Abu Ghraib), then the "scandal" turns out to be bi-sexual, rogue liberals in uniform (including one of the highest ranking women in our military)...so the story gets dropped.

They put more reporters chasing Schwarzenegger's alleged "gropings" than they put on the UN oil for food outrage. Governor Gray Davis' bribes...forgotten.

They wailed about Hurricane Katrina and screamed "racism" only to find that Blacks did just fine evacuating from the harder-hit East side of that storm (e.g. Mobile, Alabama) where the local leadership actually followed its own disaster planning.

At every turn, the liberals hype their faintest hopes of GOP scandals...

...Because they've got nothing else. Their ideas have been rejected. Go to a liberal cocktail party in San Francisco (I've done this) and they'll opine about how our evil Pledge of Allegiance should be banned...only to learn the hard way at the ballot box that 92% of the U.S. supports keeping the Pledge unchanged.

In private, they hate the Pledge...but their idea to ban or change is utterly rejected by our democratic republic.

Liberal idea after idea has been or is being rejected.

All that they've got Left (pun intended) is the hope of a GOP scandal. So they scan every news article, troll every GOP website, scan every public database looking for something...anything...that might "bring down the mighty right-wing Elephant."

They phoned in "tips" to the SEC that Senator Fritz's published, by-the-book stock sales were somehow shady...triggering a useless investigation that will only exonerate him, for instance.

They're grasping.

They haven't even figured out yet that prosecutor Fitzgerald just indicted a Democrat (Scooter Libby and his wife are life-long Democrats)...the liberals are so presently blinded by their desperation to find a scandal that they think that everyone in the White House is a Republican.

They need a scandal. They know, positively know that they can't win on the merit of their ideas alone...either they get a big scandal or else they'll lose again and again.

They just lost on raising the Minimum Wage. They just lost their battle to prevent our giving of immunity from lawsuits to our domestic firearms manufacturers. They just lost their battle to prevent bankruptcy reform.

Bolton is at the UN. The ICC is toothless. The Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban treaty is dead. The ABM treaty is dead. Their precious UN treaty to ban firearms from the Public is dead.

Everywhere they look they see their ideas either dead or dying.

They're desperate. They're forging National Guard documents. They're forging Niger uranium documents. They're engaging in sting operations on-line such as what we saw here on Free Republic of NCPAC versus MD4Bush.

They're stealing and destroying classified documents (e.g. Sandy Berger). They're committing Identity Theft against GOP candidates (e.g. Senator Schumer's staff against Lt. Gov Steele). They're delaying approval on some new judges until their pet cases are ruled upon by the outgoing judges (e.g. Senator Rockefeller's Intel Committee memo).

...And everywhere you turn the Democratic leadership is claiming that they are being too soft on the GOP! The NY Times has apologized for being too pro-Bush!

Twice!

The LA Times has run wholly fabricated polls showing Bustamante ahead of Schwarzenegger. Exit polls for Presidential elections in 2000 and 2004 were both rigged...entirely inaccurate.

That's what the modern Left has devolved into. We're dealing with desperate people willing to go to great lengths...unethical lengths...against us.

Because they know that they can't win on the merits of their own ideas. Either they ram those ideas down our throats and call us all bent-kneed Monica's, or else they lose.

41 posted on 10/30/2005 1:33:58 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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at the exact moment when the Republican Party is staggering under the weight of its own mistakes, the Democratic Party's loudest voices are in the grip of passions that render them untrustworthy.

Seems like the perfect opportunity to get rid of both Big Stupid Government parties, doesn't it?

44 posted on 10/30/2005 1:54:21 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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>>Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald did not find evidence

So why the indictment?


45 posted on 10/30/2005 1:27:31 AM PST by The Raven
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Projection is part of it. So is the desperate need to assert moral equivalency; the democrats spent most of the 90's defending Clinton on an astonishing array of misdeeds and are desperate to pin something, anything on the Republicans. Hence the imbecile mewling about Cheney and Halliburton. Now we will hear that Libby is the greatest criminal in history, or at least since Hitler.

But one other important aspect is the democrats' utter bankruptcy on major policy issues. Social Security? They say we don't have a problem, at least not until 2045, and blast Bush for trying to do something. Health care? They're for single payer but don't want to acknowledge that single payer means rationing. Education? Whatever the NEA says, and shut up about the collapse of standards and writing off yet another generation of inner-city kids. War on terror? Appeasement and retreat.

I was well trained as a sprout to avoid psychological and motivational arguments except as a last resort because they are so easily used to avoid the need to engage an opponent's principled positions. But with the current dems, we are truly at the last resort. Their cupboard is bare. All they have left is ad hominem attack. Very sad. We need an honest, intellectually serious opposition party. The honest democrats very urgently need to stand up to the psychotics who have hijacked their party.

P.S. If Libby is the nefarious leaker, and he may be, I think he should be punished with the full severity that has been visited on every other leaker in the last 25 years. That would mean ... a tenured professorship? Testimonial dinners at the National Press Club? A bigger job in the next administration?

The fact that Libby's leak, if that's what it was, happened to discredit a Kerry campaign lie is not a reason to impose differential and disproportionate punishment.

47 posted on 10/30/2005 3:13:02 AM PST by sphinx
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The dems think that if they pretend to believe their own lies, we'll believe them too.

After all, they have the media on their side.

Now we have the pajama people on our side and can make a dent in the misrepresentations if we stick together to deny the dems their victories at the polls.

53 posted on 10/30/2005 3:45:41 AM PST by OldFriend (Fitzgerald is a Lawrence Walsh wannabe)
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If you want an understanding that, despite the media hype on this story, the result is a clear disappointment for the left, do a search on the following:

"22 indictments"

Now it wasn't just the nutty left that was out of control. If you watched the coverage of this story,one that should have warranted no more than a few headlines on the news, you would have noticed the breaking news crawl:

"indictments expected imminently"

that's with an s

Several mainstream publication was talking of a "raft" of indictments against key officials right up until the documents were released.

This was a bust for the left. They are making lemonade out of the lemons they received.


55 posted on 10/30/2005 4:04:44 AM PST by Patriot from Philly
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If Libby or his brain dead attorney had a solid dose of paranoia he would have kept his mouth shut in front of the grand jury. :-)

Good post, though. :-)
70 posted on 10/30/2005 5:53:29 AM PST by cgbg (Boxer and Feinstein confuse the constitution with Mao's Little Red Book.)
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