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How staged sex crime fooled Supreme Court
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | October 24, 2005 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 10/24/2005 12:27:04 PM PDT by Hunterb

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To: Moral Hazard
I don't get it. It was well known that the crime was staged for purpose of getting the SCOTUS to review the constitutionality of the anti-sodomy law. What's more the facts of the case were largely irrelevant, as the SCOTUS was only ruling on the constitutionality of the underlying law.

The only thing you need to get is that the entire article is staged to fool you into buying the book from World Nut Daily.
41 posted on 10/24/2005 12:55:56 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: John Robertson
Your reflexive response is completely inoperable. The whole point here is, the cops were MANIPULATED into going into someone's bedroom through a ruse whereby they believed a criminal act that could take a life was about to happen. They could have been manipulated into...the basement...the attic...the linen closet. You miss the point. They didn't want to go into anyone's anything... someone set the cops up.

I live in the state of Georgia. We had a case go to state court of homosexuality long before the above case and even the conservative state supreme court of Georgia said that government should stay out of the bedrooms of consenting adults.

42 posted on 10/24/2005 12:56:28 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: John Robertson
I live in the state of Georgia. We had a case go to state court of homosexuality = I live in the state of Georgia. We had a case go to state court over homosexuality
43 posted on 10/24/2005 12:57:24 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: XJarhead

Farah is only good for entertainment.


44 posted on 10/24/2005 12:58:43 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Just because it's WND doesn't mean it's wrong. Read the article - we who keep track of such things on FR knew this was a set up at the time it went before the SCOTUS; now here are more facts.

Rick Santorum was right. Just because you've heard the words "slippery slope" gazillions of times doesn't mean they're not true.

We're living in perilous times.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.


45 posted on 10/24/2005 12:58:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: funkywbr

I'd have to say that 6-3 decision in the Supreme Court was a come from behind victory for the homosexual agenda.


46 posted on 10/24/2005 1:00:33 PM PDT by TravisBickle
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To: Hunterb

What was Roe vs Wade?


47 posted on 10/24/2005 1:02:39 PM PDT by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Only if I could sell tickets.


48 posted on 10/24/2005 1:03:20 PM PDT by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: TravisBickle
I'd have to say that 6-3 decision in the Supreme Court was a come from behind victory for the homosexual agenda.

Oooookay! Very understated and sly, but okay.


If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.

49 posted on 10/24/2005 1:05:45 PM PDT by rdb3 (Have you ever stopped to think, but forgot to start again?)
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To: Hunterb
I don't get it. What's the story? Were the men having consexual sodomy? Yes. So they staged it, so what? The implication here is that the Supreme Court was somehow bamboozled. Bamboozled into what? One man was sodomizing another, and they were arrested for it. How does the contituionality of it matter whether or not the men planned to get caught?

Maybe I should go on a bank robbing spree, and call the cops myself while I am robbing the place. Then, if I get caught, I can say "hey, I staged the whole thing, therefore you can't arrest me for it!".

Think that will work?

50 posted on 10/24/2005 1:06:01 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

So all incest laws should be overturned?
Brothers and/or sisters should be allowed to marry each other, if they so desire?
But why do you limit this right to unfettered and unregulated sexual acts to "two consenting adults". Shouldn't laws against polygamy also be abolished?


51 posted on 10/24/2005 1:06:05 PM PDT by VRWCmember (hard-core, politically angry, hyperconservative, and loaded with vitriol about everything liberal.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
So you think government is going to force you to have a homosexual in your bedroom.

Yes, certain liberal government officials would surly like too.

52 posted on 10/24/2005 1:06:22 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

So you like having a leftist lies determine laws and policy?


53 posted on 10/24/2005 1:07:43 PM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: Hunterb
This is a non sequitur. How the case arrived at the initial court in Houston doesn't matter. There was an arrest, a report and a charge. Irrespective of whether it was a major crime felony or a minor misdeamenor, it simply doesn't matter. The defendants could not have brought a declaratory judgment action themselves, thus ruling out a non-law enforcement initiation. The police brought the two guys in and booked 'em and the state attorney charged 'em; that's is the necessary predicate for a plea in abatement (no contest with a subsequent appeal).

Test cases are nothing new, they have existed in virtually every area of civil rights doctrine, from integrated lunch counters, Florida beaches off-limits to blacks in the segregation era, to MLK's disobedience to an ostensibly lawful, if clearly unconstitutional court order in Birmingham. So what?

The court had a record before it and four justices chose to take the case either on appeal from the highest court of the state or by certiorari. There was the required ''case or controversy'' that forms the foundation for jurisdiction of any court. Had the state not charged these men there would have been no jurisdictionally mandated ''case or controversy''that was, in the parlance of the courts, ''ripe for adjudication.''

This judge should choose; either be a journalist or a judge. The story may be of interest to some purient minds or some self-righteous fans of FR on the political fringe. But it certainly misses the mark as an important story.

54 posted on 10/24/2005 1:08:22 PM PDT by middie
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Alright. The government has no right to regulate sexual acts between two consenting adults. To do otherwise is to support a "nanny-police-state".

Governments do not have rights; governments have powers. But never mind that. You are saying that "government" does not have this power. I assume you mean state governments. On what do you base this opinion?

Now, if you said that government should not regulate these activities, I might agree with you. But that is a separate argument.

55 posted on 10/24/2005 1:08:25 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Not in the state of Navada.

What a novel idea, let the people and the legislatures of the states decide if they want to outlaw such an activity or not. Or would you prefer that the Nevada model be forced on the rest of the country by the courts?

56 posted on 10/24/2005 1:08:38 PM PDT by VRWCmember (hard-core, politically angry, hyperconservative, and loaded with vitriol about everything liberal.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
We had a case go to state court of homosexuality

Talk about a frindly venue!

57 posted on 10/24/2005 1:10:18 PM PDT by VRWCmember (hard-core, politically angry, hyperconservative, and loaded with vitriol about everything liberal.)
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To: Cboldt
To me, the "setup" quality of both of those cases is a nice illustration of why they were wrongly decided.

At least part of the theory in each case was that the court system needed to step in to protect some new, previously unrecognized right. The theory being that the court needed to incorporate changing social morals into a "living constitution".

But the fact that both cases had to be manufactured because nobody was prosecuting that conduct demonstrates that the system was taking into account changing values via the legislative/ececutive process. Nobody enforced those laws because the people didn't care to have them enforced. When there truly is a shift in public morals/values, there's no need for the courts to step in because those changed beliefs will be reflected in the other branches of government.

Both cases were cures for which there was no disease. Unfortunately, as happens far too often, the cures were worse than the disease because they advanced the cause of judicial activism.

58 posted on 10/24/2005 1:10:25 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Hunterb

Who cares if the cops where set up???
Who cares if the phone call was a set-up???
Who cares if the gay men planned the whole feakin thing???

What does that have to do with whether or not gay sex sould be legal?


59 posted on 10/24/2005 1:10:34 PM PDT by spookadelic
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To: VRWCmember
So all incest laws should be overturned? Brothers and/or sisters should be allowed to marry each other, if they so desire?

Well there is that little thing about deformed children that you need to work out first.

60 posted on 10/24/2005 1:10:53 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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