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The ACLU is crossing the line
NY Daily News ^ | October 24 2005 | John Leo

Posted on 10/24/2005 9:20:33 AM PDT by knighthawk

The "tiny cross" people at the American Civil Liberties Union are at it again. They are the folks with extra-keen eyes who search the seals of towns and counties for miniature crosses that they like to trumpet as grave threats to separation of church and state. This time around, they are leaning on the village of Tijeras, N.M., whose seal contains a conquistador's helmet and sword, a scroll, a desert plant, a fairly large religious symbol (the Native American zia) and a small Christian cross. Tiny cross inspectors are not permitted to fret about large non-Christian religious symbols, only undersized Christian ones, so the ACLU filed suit to get the cross removed.

The cross is obviously not an endorsement of religion, any more than the conquistador helmet endorses Spanish warfare. The courts have ruled, not always consistently, that crosses, as historic references in such seals and logos, are permissible. But the ACLU these days is strongly committed to seeing church-state crises everywhere, and thus pushes things way too far.

Last year the ACLU demanded that Los Angeles County eliminate from its seal a microscopic cross representing the missions that settled the state of California. Under threat of expensive litigation, the county complied.

What will happen if the ACLU learns that Los Angeles, Santa Monica, San Francisco, St. Louis and Corpus Christi actually have religious names? We shudder to think.

The campaign to remove all traces of religion from the entire public square is far advanced. Part of that campaign is to squelch private expression in and around public schools. Students have been punished for reading the Bible outside of class and for thanking God or Jesus in a valedictory speech. Last week, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals accepted the case of Antonio Peck, who, as a kindergartner in suburban Syracuse in 1999, had his drawing censored from a class display because of church-state concerns. Antonio was told to illustrate his understanding of the environment. He drew a man with upraised arms, wearing a robe. When asked, the boy said the man was Jesus, who was "the only way to save the world." The trial will decide whether his school is guilty of viewpoint censorship.

As if to prove that church-state objections can be found on the right as well, the band director at C.D. Hylton High School in Virginia pulled the song "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" after a conservative objected. He wondered why the school should be allowed to sing about the devil when they are not allowed to sing about God.

Next: the ACLU sues to ban deviled eggs from the school cafeteria.


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KEYWORDS: aclu; cross; forbidden; johnleo; lawsuit; moralabsolutes; pcpolice; purge
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1 posted on 10/24/2005 9:20:33 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: MizSterious; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; keri; ...

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2 posted on 10/24/2005 9:20:57 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

can somebody stop the madness?


3 posted on 10/24/2005 9:21:47 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: knighthawk

Bet the ACLU hasn't gone after muslims praying in schools.


4 posted on 10/24/2005 9:22:36 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: knighthawk

I wish the line they were crossing was the 38th parallel........going north........


5 posted on 10/24/2005 9:25:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (In life, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you settle for...........)
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To: knighthawk
Next: the ACLU sues to ban deviled eggs from the school cafeteria.

Don't be ridiculous. They like the devil.

6 posted on 10/24/2005 9:25:45 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (By defiintion, we cannot have Consensus until you agree with me.)
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To: Semper Paratus
Bet the ACLU hasn't gone after muslims praying in schools.

..and they never will.

Doogle

7 posted on 10/24/2005 9:26:36 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: knighthawk
"I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. I don't regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted, and I traveled the United Front road to get it.

Roger Baldwin (a co-founder of the ACLU)

8 posted on 10/24/2005 9:27:12 AM PDT by rllngrk33 (The RATs and Media are the enemy.)
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To: knighthawk
As if to prove that church-state objections can be found on the right as well, the band director at C.D. Hylton High School in Virginia pulled the song "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" after a conservative objected. He wondered why the school should be allowed to sing about the devil when they are not allowed to sing about God.

Well that's just dumb, and I'm speaking as a christian here. Primarily because in Charlie Daniel's song (who is a conservative Christian as well) the devil is the badguy. Whereas in this news article, the ACLU is the devil
9 posted on 10/24/2005 9:28:20 AM PDT by JamesP81
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They like the devil.

Like???? They are the devil.

How did they find this little NM village anyway? Did a local make the complaint?

10 posted on 10/24/2005 9:28:30 AM PDT by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: knighthawk
ACLU has crossed the line for a long time, resorting to extortion and demented causes. ACLU goes into frenzy over anything that promotes voluntary prayer and good character. God is a dirty word to them. Yet they support the worst of obscenities.
11 posted on 10/24/2005 9:29:34 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: knighthawk

The ACLU crosed the line a long time ago.

The only surprsiing thing is that none of their lawyers have yet sufferred any 'accidents'.


12 posted on 10/24/2005 9:31:10 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: knighthawk
...and as incredible as it seems. The ACLU is a tax payers sponsored organization.


Doogle
13 posted on 10/24/2005 9:31:38 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: Tanniker Smith

But angel cake has to go.


14 posted on 10/24/2005 9:32:38 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: knighthawk
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Are we allowed to bring angel food cake from home?

15 posted on 10/24/2005 9:33:13 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Doogle

...LOL...talk about budget cuts

Doogle


16 posted on 10/24/2005 9:33:20 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: Doogle

How long before the ACLU goes after cities with the word San in their names the way they went after locations with the word Squaw in them?


17 posted on 10/24/2005 9:33:35 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: knighthawk

"The ACLU is crossing the line"



The "line" was crossed a long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long time ago'


18 posted on 10/24/2005 9:34:18 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: bigsigh

People have asked, "How do you stop the ACLU?" Opponents need to get organized.


19 posted on 10/24/2005 9:36:13 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: bigsigh

>>>can somebody stop the madness?<<<

Short of a shooting war, the congress would have to pass a law that removes the display of Christian religious symbols from the jurisdiction of the courts. Another good fix would be to require the loser to pay attorney fees. That would stop nearly all frivolous lawsuits.


20 posted on 10/24/2005 9:42:49 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau ("The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." -- Psalms 14:1, 53:1)
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