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DREAM ON, DEMOCRATS
Sierra Times ^ | 10/21/2005 | Mark Outland

Posted on 10/23/2005 4:29:32 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

With hysterical glee, Democrats believe they smell blood around the Bush Administration and Republicans in general.

Admittedly, at first glance, the situation does appear bleak for the Republicans: dwindling support for the Iraq war, Tom Delay's indictment and arrest, Bill Frist's insider trading investigation, the Harriet Miers rupture, and polls that show a generic vote would favor Democrats over Republicans in 2006 by 11%. Oh, to be a Democrat, bolstered by such news after years of humiliating defeat at the polls!

Unfortunately for Democrats, none of this seems to be rubbing off in their favor. According to a recent national poll, only 32% of Americans have a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party. Hardly the resounding paradigm shift that the Dem's are counting on to take back the House and Senate next year, or win the White House a couple years later. But desperate people often cling to desperate hopes.

Enter Hillary Clinton.

Many Democrats, especially the Hollywood leftists, believe Clinton is the last, best hope for presidential success in 2008. Even Republicans like Dick Morris, who personally can't stand Hillary, predict that she has a good chance of winning, especially if there is no perceptible improvement in the Iraq situation and if Republicans do not offer up an equally well-known candidate. But the fact that many Democrats see Clinton as the best they've got, or at least the only really viable choice, is indicative of how desperate and empty the party has become.

Nevertheless, the political triangulation around Hillary is astounding, and typically Clintonian. With psychophantic predictability, the old-stream media and Hollywood are pulling out the stops to promote her. This is certainly because she is immensely popular with the chablis-sipping leftist elite, and possibly because there are some in the party who pragmatically recognize the dearth of potential candidates even slightly palatable to the wide American electorate.

In any event, her support among these elites is undeniably widespread. Democratic strategist and commentator Susan Estrich, who just a couple years ago predicted that Hillary could never win the presidency because she was America's most divisive politician, is now pimping Clinton as the probable next president. Several former Clinton aides, including the recently disgraced Sandy Berger, have signed up to provide "technical assistance" to ABC TV's Tuesday night fantasy "Commander-in-Chief".

The New York Daily News reports that Clinton's operatives see the the show as a barometer of how Hillary might fare in 2008. These socially and politically insular Democrats, especially in Hollywood and New York City, honestly believe that Clinton has widespread appeal and popularity. And why not? Everybody they know loves her.

The truth may not be so gilded, or as optimistic. In fact, there are signs emerging that point to a rough road for Clinton, even among members of her own party. This no more true than among the rabid Bush-hating anti-Iraq War factions, which have emerged as a mainstream component of an ever left-drifting party, not to mention the biggest source of Democratic fundraising in recent memory.

It is from here, among groups like MoveOn.org, Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan supporters, that the real power base in the party steadily grows. These groups have made it clear that Clinton's refusal to dramatically condemn the war in Iraq, or call for the return of American troops immediately, will cost her support, at least in the short term.

Shrewd politicians like Ted Kennedy, who has effectively aligned himself with the more vocal Bush-hating groups, both in his associations and his words, recognizes this dynamic. That may explain why he recently said he will not support Clinton in 2008, in the likely event John Kerry runs again.

Kennedy may be a slurring, womanizing, cowardly drunk, but he is not stupid: he knows that it is Kerry, not Hillary, who is more likely to benefit from the support of the angry left and their piles of money. After all, Kerry was able to do this in 2004. Even Cindy Sheehan, MoveOn.org's resident lackey, is urging fellow Democrats not to support "pro-war" Hillary, accusing her of "sounding like Rush Limbaugh". Ouch.

But Estrich says that Hillary has the benefit of being well-liked among Democrats, like her husband Bill, and unlike Al Gore and John Kerry. However, in the same article two years ago, she said that many women, including Democratic women, don't like her at all, and that the more Democrats talked up Hillary, the more money flowed into the coffers of the Republican Party. Estrich has obviously concluded that any Democrat prospect, even one she has personally identified as unable to appeal to a broad range of voters, is better than no Democrat at all. And there lies the problem for Estrich and the rest of her party.

Most Republican strategists believe that a Hillary presidential run will render results more illustrative of Estrich's former predictions, i.e. a boon for Republican fundraisers and crushing defeat for Democrats. Hillary would certainly ignite a huge bon-fire of repellent disgust beneath the Republican base. If the Republicans nominate Condi Rice, who by many accounts would eat Hillary alive in a head-to-head intellectual matchup, and with Hillary's base confined to elites, the Democrats might just end up wishing they had run John Kerry again.

At least, then, the humiliating Democratic defeat would not come as a total surprise.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hillary; hillary2008; presidentialelection; wishfulthinking
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Even Republicans like Dick Morris...

I never believed Morris to be a Republican. I just believed that he like millions of others intensely detest Empress Hitlery.

1 posted on 10/23/2005 4:29:32 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy
My wife had the remote, and I actually saw 2-3 minutes of Commander-In-Chief. When it got to the part where the female President kissed the guy she was in bed with, I asked,

"If this is about Hillary, which character is the guy supposed to be?"

My wife's response was to hand me the remote, because she realized why nature intended the man to control the remote in the first place.

2 posted on 10/23/2005 4:36:28 AM PDT by Bernard (You can either deal with your situation or be a liberal about it.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Even Republicans like Dick Morris, who personally can't stand Hillary, predict that she has a good chance of winning........

That puts my mind at ease. He's almost never correct. Dick Morris needs a window in his stomach so he can see to walk while his head is up his a**.
3 posted on 10/23/2005 4:54:08 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: Bernard

In the first place, was she on her way to give you the remote?

Or were you caught in a weak moment?

(Frank Barone moment here ha ha ha)


4 posted on 10/23/2005 4:56:17 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (..yep, thats right, I'm an infidel......so what....)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Everything the democrats say is negative. I believe the American public want a positive message. As a Conservative I believe in community and I believe we are all part of the same community. The compliant I have against Dems is that they divide Americans into groups. They ask how this or that policy will affect blacks or women or labor or gays. I only want to know how it will affect Americans.
5 posted on 10/23/2005 4:57:01 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: Bernard

"You can either deal with your situation or be a liberal about it."

I hereby nominate you for Tagline of the Year.


6 posted on 10/23/2005 4:57:04 AM PDT by TheRobb7 (The American Spirit does not require a federal subsidy.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
And why not? Everybody they know loves her.

Where as everyone I know, detest Dems. Especially anything Clinton. Two sides, same coin.

7 posted on 10/23/2005 4:59:20 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (..yep, thats right, I'm an infidel......so what....)
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To: FerdieMurphy
This stuff about Hillary having trouble with the crazies is a rope-a-dope story. They know that she doesn't mean what she says as soon as she says it.

I also still stand on the fact that when Hillary speaks to a national audience, her poll numbers tend to go down. She can't run for President like she ran for Senator from the PRNY.

8 posted on 10/23/2005 5:16:03 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Are you a dog, too?)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Run Hillary Run!


9 posted on 10/23/2005 5:19:38 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: FerdieMurphy
The ratmedia cheerleaders for the failing left don't like to talk about these things, but here's a few
of the insurmountable problems the rat party faces, as they "retake power".
The end of big labor ATM access.No more union thug troops.

The loss of voter fraud through HAVA.PhotoIDs = rat defeats.

The loss of Louisiana after the investigation. Won't go away. Won't be good for La. rats.

The loss of Iraq as an issue. Things getting better by the month.

The loss of plantation escapees jumping the fence. Blacks starting to listen to GOP and liking what they hear.

The loss of control of the Court. No more force feeding liberalism to America.

The lack of any message.An empty message " I'm not Bush." doesn't work.

Spokesmen and women like Dean, Moore, Sheehan etc chase voters away.

Gay "marriage" support. Oh for eleven last cycle with no upturn in sight.

Anti 2nd amendment positions. Gave us West Virginia, helped us keep Arkansas and Tennessee.

Shallow bench.Demoralized rat state organizations means fewer new faces.

Continued defections.The ratio of rat to GOP conversions in the last 10 years must be 10 to 1. This is one of the few areas that they consistently beat us in. :-)

Adoration of Partial Birth Abortion. Most rats that you see and hear about are devoted to PBA, something that chases decent people away.

For the FIFTH time in the last eight months, a national poll has reported that Hillary Clinton is too liberal to be president. The numbers in these surveys DON'T BUDGE. She has been judged too liberal by 38, 39,39,40 and now 41% of respondents. If Little Dick Morris had lived in the 1940s he would have bet on the Japanese to win WW II.
10 posted on 10/23/2005 5:22:01 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Bring the troops home means bring the war home.)
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"They know that she doesn't mean what she says as soon as she says it."

Man that's the truth, just like a middle class tax cut.

11 posted on 10/23/2005 5:23:09 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: FerdieMurphy
How about the "HGTV" ticket. Hillary Clinton and Geena Davis. Now that's a co-presidency. Maybe they could even kiss on TV.
12 posted on 10/23/2005 5:28:46 AM PDT by trek
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To: Beth528

Everything the democrats say is negative. I believe the American public want a positive message. As a Conservative I believe in community and I believe we are all part of the same community. The compliant I have against Dems is that they divide Americans into groups. They ask how this or that policy will affect blacks or women or labor or gays. I only want to know how it will affect Americans.

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Unfortunately Republicans meanwhile aren't saying ANYTHING, except to spontaneously erupt into civil war at the drop of the wrong name - Miers or Rice especially. Meanwhile the drumbeat of democratic operatives is relentlessly getting its message out (negative though it may be) - day after day after day. Commander in Chief is promoting Hillary, while Republicans fritter away public debate with internal squabbles. Which incidentally, seems negative to much of the public.

Hate to say it, but the current situation would seem to favor the democrats. They're focused - on attacking Republicans.

Republicans seem frozen. It's kind of frustrating, to one who would prefer a (lot) more of Tom DeLay's "in liberals' faces" sort of righteousness in the form of an all out political blitz with the guns pointed (outward), and a bit less friendly fire.

Time is getting short. With all due respect - and that's a lot - to the heartfelt positions behind much of the current disarray; at some point, it becomes more important to coordinate strategy against the left, than to win battles of ideological purity.


13 posted on 10/23/2005 5:30:15 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (There's nothing sarcastic in this post. Sure there isn't. Not one bit.)
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To: Bernard
"My wife had the remote, and I actually saw 2-3 minutes of Commander-In-Chief. When it got to the part where the female President kissed the guy she was in bed with, I asked, "If this is about Hillary, which character is the guy supposed to be?"

My wife's response was to hand me the remote, because she realized why nature intended the man to control the remote in the first place."

Congrats! You are a smart man, and you married a smart lady too!

14 posted on 10/23/2005 5:35:42 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: TheRobb7
Actually, I saw it on a message board for a local newspaper and I don't remember what the sing-on name is for the poster.

But, yes, I ike the line too., That's why I liberated it. (I'm a chile of the 60's - so it can't called stealing).

15 posted on 10/23/2005 5:37:07 AM PDT by Bernard (You can either deal with your situation or be a liberal about it.)
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To: Thebaddog
This stuff about Hillary having trouble with the crazies is a rope-a-dope story. They know that she doesn't mean what she says as soon as she says it.

I agree. The 'rat primary voter will give her the nomination if she runs, and the MoveOn/DUmmie vote will fall right in line. Any "analysis" which dwells on hard left disaffection with the Midol Queen is merely blowing smoke. She will get all the money and support from them that she can use.

16 posted on 10/23/2005 5:39:39 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: FerdieMurphy
I hope Hillary does run because by throwing her hat in the ring is about the only reason many repeatedly burned, abused, slighted, fuming, livid, furious, enraged incensed, infuriated and pissed off conservatives might give a dime to the GOP or even vote,
17 posted on 10/23/2005 5:39:42 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Beth528
The libs play on the inherent selfishness of people. Listen to a liberal speak and you will soon see that inevitably it is always all about them. Each of their special interests groups cares about what will benefit them and all they care about is a politician that will do something for them". This is why the libs have to go from group to group and give different messages to each one and be very careful they don't "forget" what they said last time to the group or to a similar group in another area. Like the saying goes, when you try to please everyone you usually wind up pleasing no one.
18 posted on 10/23/2005 5:40:48 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Republicans seem frozen. It's kind of frustrating, to one who would prefer a (lot) more of Tom DeLay's "in liberals' faces" sort of righteousness in the form of an all out political blitz with the guns pointed (outward), and a bit less friendly fire.

This is so true!And I agree with you.. Great post.
19 posted on 10/23/2005 5:41:41 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: Thebaddog

I followed her campaign and unless I missed something she never held a press conference where reporters asked her questions and she answered them. Hers was the most tightly scripted and controlled campaign I have ever witnessed. I cannot see how that will possibly play well in a national election.


20 posted on 10/23/2005 5:43:05 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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