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To: hoosierham
hoosierham wrote: Oaths of allegiance should not be compulsory.
A compulsory oath is worthless except in the view of tyrants,and I find it repugnant

Hmmm, -- you find our naturalization oath repugnant.

I repeat, -- I think it should be mandatory for all citizens, prior to them first exercising their right to vote.
No oath, no vote.

Again,these people had a choice to come here or not;a person born here has no such choice.

They would have a choice. Swear the oath above, or no vote. They would retain all other rights of citizenship.

But a person born here is assumed to be loyal because of his birth,neither has a person born here a natural allegiance to any foriegn entity which would need to be foresworn. Additionally,the person swearing the oath to the U.S. and renouncing his earlier oath may be considered a traitor by his former nation. The Bible tells us not to swear oaths because we have not the power to so much as change the color of one hair on our own head. Refusal to swear your oaths does not automatically mean the person is intending to do you harm.
I notice you failed to address the impressment question,probably because to do so conflicts with your idea of forced service.

I gave no proposal for "forced service". Try reading my first posts here on the issue.

Is it that forced service for the causes you support is a good thing but forced service for causes you oppose is a bad thing?

Dream on that I've proposed "forced service". I fully support the principle of a volunteer military.

It seems the members of Congress and the federal gov't place little value on their own oaths of office based on a half century of viewing them weaken the Constitution, U.S. economy and defense.
Similar to the requirements that millions of modestly paid workers must repeatedly prove drug-free while Congressmen are apparently exempt from such mundane rules.

Do you have some point to make in the last two comments?

92 posted on 10/21/2005 7:34:57 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: faireturn
I pick up the forced service because of your example of draftees swearing of oaths.

The foreign born do have a previous allegiance to renounce,the native born should have none to renounce.

Ultimately,I believe people who truly believe in a cause have no need to swear oaths except to calm the fears of those of weak or suspicious minds. It is far more important that the persons actions help the cause.

IF the oaths really meant anything to Congressmen and the rest then those who work so diligently to deny our Constitutional rights would find themselves censured and their bills voted down in short order. And more Congressional scandals would result in censures and declarations of vacancy.Congressmen may be under the influence of various drugs especially alcohol while passing laws that affect everyone yet they have no requirement to prove themselves "clean" as do ordinary citizens who can scarcely affect anything.

It is not the oath,but the character ,that is important. I am unconvinced the mere act of swearing oaths improves character.

97 posted on 10/21/2005 7:52:09 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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