Posted on 10/15/2005 10:30:55 AM PDT by sageb1
I live in Northern Kentucky and I remember what happened. There were very many in the black community who wanted the police in the area because they were afraid of those rioting. Many christian pastors walked through the neighborhoods protesting the violence. In other words although the rioters were black it didn't matter to them who they hurt, black or white.
Pretty unsurprising. And of course, all you hear in the news are the demagogues blaming all the problems on the police and "the MAN".
The brutal reality as I see it, is that we are unwilling as a society to have the police deal out the violence necessary to keep order in the streets, in these situations.
A couple of things off the top of my head. As far as "self-evident truths" go, I certainly hope they will not be relegated into the dustbin, as John Hancock seemed to think the phrase had merit. One could certainly argue that our Founding Fathers should have dotted their "i's" and crossed their "t's" more carefully by explaining exactly what they meant by that. (But of course, because truth was self-evident to them, it didn't occur to them that an explanation might be necessary). To those on the left, they are less likely to actually denounce self-evident truths (although some do) and more likely to say that there are more truths now, hence the left's need for a "Living Constitution."
When Heilbrunn points out that conservatives are more serious than the left about principles and intellectual arguments, he is semi-right Conservatives are much more likely to regard the lessons of history and tradition when planning practically for the future and are more inclined to protect lessons learned in a fair manner. Horowitz points out that the purpose of the Intellectual Leftist is to be the antagonist, and he is also right. But I think Heilbrunn is wrong when he says we conservatives are "misled" into thinking that intellectual nonsense (coming from the left) is self-evident. I think that is precisely where conservatives have a leg up, so to speak. I may be speaking for myself only, but I must agree with Horowitz's comment that the left lives in a fantasy land that they cannot leave. I think politically-minded conservatives understand something that the left doesn't get. For instance, take the statement, "It would be wonderful if we could have world peace!" Well, who among us wouldn't wish for that? The problem is that the leftist line of thinking ends there in that fantasy land of immediate gratification. This is also why we see leftists become conservatives as they mature. You rarely ever see a conservative become a leftist (unless they were lying to begin with:) Conservatives did certainly fall asleep at the wheel for awhile, but I truly believe that there has been a "Great Awakening" going on. The Internet has been a great help to the vocally quieter conservatives. On the other hand, the looseness of the general atmosphere of the Internet has also been productive for the louder voices of the left and, in fact, lends itself more easily to their "anti-" purposes.
I understand, I think, where you're coming from in a desire to let the rioters know that whereas their actions were wrong, there is some constitutional and moral basis for their feelings. The counter-protestors who came in to make sure that the locals were going to be involved are probably at the point where no such compassion and understanding would work anyway. But I think that attempting to be an apologist for the actions of the rioters in ANY way is very dangerous. I don't think that anyone who looks at this violence is "misled" in thinking that in some areas of this country there is a culture of violence within some black communities, because it is a fact that this culture exists. Too many black leaders enable this culture to continue by pointing the finger of blame at everyone BUT those who are responsible. You point out that there are few conservative blacks. I would say that the number of conservative blacks is increasing as black communities begin to reject the blame game played by their leaders. The number will continue to increase as responsible black leaders (political and religious) go into their communitities with the message that violence will not be tolerated for ANY reason because civilized society can only exist when individuals are responsible to themselves, their families and their communities.
I said, "When Heilbrunn points out that conservatives are more serious than the left about principles and intellectual arguments, he is semi-right," but I failed to go on to explain why he is ONLY half-right. It is because his statement implies that the left are NOT serious. While I do have some, albeit very few, leftist friends who are casual leftists in that they are the loud-mouth Bush-bashing types, the elite left is very serious about taking this country down and will stop at nothing in order to accomplish their goals.
White put this out all over the net days in advance
How do you know the immediate objective of their march/demonstration?
While I hold no sympathies whatever for Nazis, neo or otherwise, is it not just too, too quaint that the anti-Nazi demonstrators turned out to be the real rioters, rock-throwers, destroyers of property and endangerers of life and limb? Their actions spoke volumes about the cogency of the rationale for their counter-demonstration.
Here's a pic from the pre-riot moments-Christ, when did Bruce Willis join the Nazi Party?
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/Foolkiller/toledonazirally.jpg
Here he is again LOL
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/Foolkiller/toledonazirally2.jpg
Latest News: Curfew has been lifted. All seems quiet on the Toledo front, at least for the present. Arrests stand at about 115 or so. The Nazis have said they plan to return. City powers-that-be say they'll try to keep that from happening. Local ACLU says: "Oh, no, you won't." You just knew they'd get involved sooner or later, didn't you?
By the way-rather than my giving you constant updates, it'd be far easier if you'd just go to http://toledotalk.com/ & view the latest buzzes there. I guarantee you you'll read things there that you'll never see in the Blade.
Warning: There are liberals there, but they're not the wacko variety, although a few do the usual Bush-bashing.
Thank You!
I enjoyed reading that!! I had a crazy afternoon and evening and I'm too pooped tonight to really concentrate, I can hardly keep my eyes open.
I know that and have posted to that effect. What are you trying to say?
Of course he did. He is an opportunist, as are all racists.
Close, but no ceegar... Bruce Willis is...ummm...cuter. lol!
"The Nazis have said they plan to return." (of course)
"City powers-that-be say they'll try to keep that from happening." (of course)
"Local ACLU says: "Oh, no, you won't." You just knew they'd get involved sooner or later, didn't you?" (Of course)
Foolkiller, thanks for keeping everyone up-to-date. And yes, I will go back to visit the Toledo site to see what's going on. If I twist your arm a little, can I get you to agree to let us know if it looks like anything critical is being planned?
no prob :)
Glad you enjoyed. No apologies necessary. I had the same kind of day. :)
Racists attacks racists, city in ruins.
Isn't diversity grand?
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