Posted on 10/15/2005 10:30:55 AM PDT by sageb1
TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) - Police used tear gas to break up a rock-throwing crowd that had gathered to protest a planned march Saturday by the National Socialist Movement.
At least two dozen members of a Roanoke, Va.-based group that calls itself "America's Nazi Party" had gathered at Wilson Park just before noon and were to march under police protection.
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Sure, no problem. At our local site, you can also begin to understand how our town began to slowly get screwed up (began about the 1980's) when John Robinson Block (Blade owner) began hand-picking, more or less, his politicians to do his bidding. They don't listen to us any more, but rather follow the will of the paper. The Block family used to have all kinds of opposition from other Toledoans of wealth & power who owned local firms/businesses. They're all gone now, either sold out to out-of-state concerns, or died & the kids sold everything and are off somewhere squandering the inheritance. Therefore, the Blocks now have virtually ultimate power in this region. Sad, but the newspaper now basically owns the town. Add to that the fact the rag has filled council & the Mayor's office (and County Commissioners) with almost ALL arrogant Democrat elitists, and you can see why we're worried about Toledo surviving. I think the democrats there bitch about it more than I do. ;) Keep checking in from time-to-time, and you'll learn a lot about Toledo.
Thanks for giving us a little bit of the historical perspective. Sounds like Toledo needs a new conservative newspaper :)
Boy it's hard to make a gaggle of Nazis look good. But the Toledo looters did a good job of it.
Oh sorry! I posted to the wrong name
For what its worth, there was no march, those who had assembled (14 or so) wisely chose to go home before the march ever started. March cancelled!!!!!! The riot that transpired occured 1/4 mile away.............
There was no "Fire!" yelled, and the individuals who are being blamed by the media had exited the scene almost as soon as they arrived.........
Did my post show support of the nazis or did it merely point out the ignorance of the actual facts?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,...
Like it or not Sofaman, it protects you, me and them.........I'll leave it up to you to define who "them" are......
not so fast!, The Supreme Court has recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence.
not so fast!, The Supreme Court has recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence.
Sorry fella, while I think Nazis are vile scum, I don't like government prohibiting speech on grounds of preventing violence or causing breeches of peace.
Kinda vague.
If brown-shirted scum decide to march on Washington in some attempt to seize power, fire at will.
Personally, I'm more concerned with the business suited Nazis actually sitting in Washington who hide behind pseudonyms such as "Democrats" and "liberals".
If you are going to cut and paste portions of that argument that attempt to support your argument, you had better read the entire text.
The right to assemble allows people to gather for peaceful and lawful purposes. Implicit within this right is the right to association and belief. The Supreme Court has expressly recognized that a right to freedom of association and belief is implicit in the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments. This implicit right is limited to the right to associate for First Amendment purposes. It does not include a right of social association. The government may prohibit people from knowingly associating in groups that engage and promote illegal activities. The right to associate also prohibits the government from requiring a group to register or disclose its members or from denying government benefits on the based on an individuals current or past membership in a particular group. There are exceptions to this rule where the Court finds that governmental interests in disclosure/registration outweigh interference with first amendment rights.
Since there is not any evidence that the nazi group who cancelled their march were involved in any proven illegal activities, they were granted their marching permit.........
So back to the original question, who determines what is permissible, the U.S. Constitution as interpreted by YOU?
I am not a fella, If you don't like the Supreme Court's opinion, take it up with your government officials.
I was trying to post to you and the site was slow and I kept clicking and I accidently slipped over to private reply. Please accept my apology.
Thank You!
My apologies then..........
If you don't like the Supreme Court's opinion, take it up with your government officials.
I seem to remember a certain portion of the Constitution that says something about the right to assemble........surely you remember that one also?
Just thought you might like to know that our illustrious , totally worthless, (black, by the way) mayor has no less than three re-election campaign commercials being run over-and-over on the local TV channels touting what a great job he & the cops did in the riot. First one appeared three days after the riot ended.
You'll notice that's all the politicians, mayors, most police chiefs, Congressmen, President's and other assorted government hacks do nowadays. As soon as something happens, they all start congratulating each other during news conferences, and telling everyone what a wonderful job they are doing. And then use the video tape for reelections.
It's beyond sickening.
Simply because many here think a group of neo-Nazis (although there is nothing 'new' about their beliefs) have a right to express their beliefs, it doesn't equate to an espousal of their ideology. If you were to take a poll of Freepers, I am certain that that you would find that the good people here find them to be hateful un-American trash.
On this thread, many people are being dismissive of the potential of folks such as them ever being taken seriously.
So what we have is a group that from what I understand organized a demonstration, and were peaceful about it.
The response? Rock throwing and looting. If you can give me a valid reason why looting is a legitimate form of protest, I'm all ears.
Nazis often attempt to portray themselves as people that stand for law and order, etc., and in my opinion the counter protesters played right into their hands. "Hey, we're marching peacefully, and see what the response is? It's the other side that is violent, not us........they are those who are violent and criminal."
Some other posters raise important Constitutional issues. Who decides who can assemble, and who cannot? You? Me?
This is going to sound harsh, but as an objective observer, these counter protesters were only counter productive. They 'validated' much of the Nazi propaganda, and probably, if anything, helped them find some new recruits.
These are troubling times, with polarizing issues abounding. Crime, illegal immigration, and many people are perceiving a breakdown of law and order. People in many places are afraid to leave their homes, and even that is no guarantee, not in the least.
Remember, in the 30's, Hitler and his cohorts portrayed themselves as the 'law and order' party; Germany was nation that was weak, dispirited and mob rule was not uncommon. People craved a return to a semblence of normalcy, and the Nazi ideology was very appealing to a great many people obviously. Just some food for thought.
My regards.
And everything you said is 100% correct. Most of FR feels you don't 'protest' by looting & burning, or assaulting people who happen to be the same color as the Nazis. I'm just tired of the media continually calling these scum 'protesters'. The media also began to downplay it in NO after it was all over ("reports were exaggerated", etc.)
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