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To: nj26
Hope doesn't equal fact.

Nor does reckless speculation.

That is why we have judicial hearings.

What is it about letting the process take its normal course that bothers you? Seriously?

I can not for the life of me figure out the Anti-Miers crowd insatiable blood lust to cleave this woman in half before she has had a chance to speak for herself.

Someone. Anyone please explain this to me.

I almost feel as though I am daring you to? Why is that?
14 posted on 10/13/2005 6:02:09 PM PDT by baystaterebel (http://omphalosgazer.blogspot.com/)
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To: baystaterebel
That is why we have judicial hearings.
What is it about letting the process take its normal course that bothers you?

The hearings can't illuminate the details that are necessary to understand the judicial temperament of Ms. Miers. The hearings will be a show - very little of substance.

That doesn't mean there is something wrong with letting the process play out. My issue is with "politics by stealth" when it comes to seats on SCOTUS.

71 posted on 10/13/2005 6:35:32 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: baystaterebel
"I can not for the life of me figure out the Anti-Miers crowd insatiable blood lust to cleave this woman in half before she has had a chance to speak for herself. Someone. Anyone please explain this to me.

I can't believe we would have to explain this again for the ? time. The Senate hearings are milktoast in so far as they devulge judicial philosophy from nominees. The nominee will not answer any of those questions.

There's your answer. You won't know any more about her then than I do now.

127 posted on 10/13/2005 7:03:22 PM PDT by ALWAYSWELDING
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To: baystaterebel

"That is why we have judicial hearings. What is it about letting the process take its normal course that bothers you? Seriously? I can not for the life of me figure out the Anti-Miers crowd insatiable blood lust to cleave this woman in half before she has had a chance to speak for herself. Someone. Anyone please explain this to me."

Do you really believe that the White House is interested in having an open debate about Ms. Miers' record during the hearings? At that point, the mantra will be "she's made it this far... don't reject her now."

So I say... now is as good a time as any to begin debating Ms. Miers' qualifications and conservative credentials.

If Ms. Miers is wrongly rejected (i.e. she truly is a conservative but doesn't make it through the process), the White House will nominate a conservative with a long track record, and Ms. Miers will lose her chance but our country will still benefit from the end of liberal judicial tyranny.

If Ms. Miers is wrongly confirmed (i.e. she proves to be a liberal such as Souter and Kennedy both nominated by Republican presidents), Ms. Miers will get "her chance" and our country will be paying for another 20 years.


139 posted on 10/13/2005 7:08:44 PM PDT by nj26
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To: baystaterebel

Sometimes I feel po'd at the President in general. The way he handled the government give-away after Katrina, the illegal immigration flow he refuses to stem, the really dank stench of cronyism that surrounds all of his latest nominations (be it Miers, or Mike Brown or whatnot).

Still, I REFUSE to say a bad word against Ms. Miers (all I can say is that I have a queasy feeling about her, but we'll see how this unfolds). But I can EASILY see how a lot of people will want to scream bloody murder after all of the crap we've had to endure from a "conservative" such as our President.

Still, you know what? I give thanks every day that Sen. Kerry or Mr. Gore were not elected. Could you IMAGINE how they would have replaced a reliable conservative like Justice Reinquest? Boggles the mind!

Always be thankful for what you have IMO. And I pray that Ms. Miers if confirmed is a good Justice.


147 posted on 10/13/2005 7:11:52 PM PDT by rom
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To: baystaterebel

I agree. There are two phrases I am absolutely sick of hearing: price gouging and Harriet Miers. Why can't all these bloviators wait for the hearings. Conservatives are coming across as spoiled babies who didn't get their way. That crap belongs on the playground. Wait until she has said a few things and then critisize if you want. Now is way too soon.


182 posted on 10/13/2005 7:29:28 PM PDT by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: baystaterebel

Because she could be voted in by a combination of RINOs and Dems. Conservatives may control Congress, but we're not the majority there.


194 posted on 10/13/2005 7:36:38 PM PDT by born in the Bronx
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To: baystaterebel
Some of them aren't Republicans; some of them aren't conservatives; as a result, they want to see Bush fail. They are afraid that Miers is everything the President has claimed she is.

Others are believing what they read.

495 posted on 10/14/2005 12:29:15 AM PDT by Chunga (Mock The Left)
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To: baystaterebel

Can you explain how Ms Miers can create a track record in a hearing? Do you not understand the problem we have with this nomination? The speculation I have see is that she is "swell". Well what does that tell us exactly? She can say anything she wants in a heating but you know people by their actions and her actions for the last 30 years seem to be more practicing the art of being noncommittal than conservative in any significant way. The hearings will not solve the problem of never in her career really establishing herself as a bona fide Constructionist.


529 posted on 10/14/2005 6:47:35 AM PDT by Les_Miserables
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To: baystaterebel
"Anyone please explain this to me.

Might it be that once the "process" starts, that is the hearings, it's too late? Would a single republican voting against her give the rats license to vote against each and every judge en masse? Perhaps not but it might disband the gang of 14 (not that I'm suggesting that wouldn't be a good thing).

I suspect that some feel, having observed the process for many years, that the only time to rectify what they consider to be an appointment mistake, at least at the SCOTUS level, is before hearings start.

Just speculation based on many years of sausage making. I make no representation as to knowing what someone else thinks, merely presented for your amusement and consideration.

560 posted on 10/14/2005 8:20:09 AM PDT by Proud_texan ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater)
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To: baystaterebel
If she gets to hearings she's in. The Democrats already want her (a definite strike against her) and the Senate Pubbies will drink the Kool-Aid. That is why we want to stop her short of the Senate.

She's been bumped over people who have fought for the conservative cause and originalist interpretation for decades. That's really fair to them, right? Work hard. Establish a track record, watch the President promote a friend, instead. Really encourages the up 'n coming folks.

We also have some (admittedly old) evidence that she is NOT a conservative or an originalist and that she is not consistent in her beliefs. And given the President's choice of friends (Putin, Fox, etc.) his judgment in this matter is suspect.

Finally, it is a matter of opportunity. He got Robers, whom we think is a conservative / originalist. If doesn't go Souter, well and good, the court stops moving left; but we don't know (yet) he won't "grow."
If he does, a known conservative in this nomination at least preserves the status quo. A screw up here means that the SCOTUS is liberal for the foreseeable future. He needed to appoint a known quantity and he didn't.
568 posted on 10/14/2005 8:38:32 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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