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Lame defense (by the Kool Aid drinkers of Miers)
The Washington Times ^ | 10/10/05 | Bruce Fein

Posted on 10/10/2005 10:24:36 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky

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1 posted on 10/10/2005 10:24:40 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Stellar Dendrite; nerdgirl; Map Kernow; Betaille; Pessimist; flashbunny; Itzlzha; ...

"Bruce Fein is a constitutional lawyer and international consultant with Bruce Fein & Associates and the Lichfield Group. He has published an "Advice & Consent Handbook" on Supreme Court appointments and the judicial filibuster. "

Damned Elitist!


2 posted on 10/10/2005 10:28:09 PM PDT by flashbunny (Sorry, but I'm allergic to KoolAid.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
The money quote of the day goes to Patrick Leahy:

"Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the Democratic co-chair of the committee, told ABC that he had recommended to the president that he “pick somebody outside the judicial monastery” but that he probably should have added: “And also consider somebody outside the White House compound.
3 posted on 10/10/2005 10:28:50 PM PDT by msnimje (What in Bork's name was Bush thinking?............................Captain Ed..9 Oct 2005)
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To: Ol' Sparky

"Fallible presidents need skepticism and criticism to check their follies."

Exactly. And this is a line for line repetition of the Souter nomination. A history of liberal views and an unclear judicial philosophy, people vouching for him, and a general "Trust me" attitude. How much better off we would be right now if conservatives had confronted Bush 1 at the time. I refuse to let that happen again.


4 posted on 10/10/2005 10:33:50 PM PDT by Betaille ("Ms. Miers's record is one of supporting a conservative position and then abandoning it." -John Fund)
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To: Betaille
I refuse to let that happen again.

I had no idea you are so ... formidable.

5 posted on 10/10/2005 10:40:54 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (They misunderestimated Roberts; now they are misunderestimating Miers)
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To: Ol' Sparky
She should graciously withdraw and spare the Supreme Court and herself embarrassment.

That would take class. Class that climbers generally don't have.

6 posted on 10/10/2005 10:42:24 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Betaille; Ol' Sparky
Precisely!

When Bob Taft challenged Dwight D. Eisenhower for supremacy of the Republican Party, were we stronger or weaker for his bold dissent?

When Barry Goldwater seized the moment, and breathed new life into a moribund, Rockefelleresque GOP back in the 60s, did that make our party more or less cohesive in the long-run?

When Ronald Reagan took the audacious step of running against incumbent President Gerald Ford, was that a good or a bad thing for the GOP?

When Newt Gingrich and members of the COS staged an unprecedented revolt against President Bush's massive tax hike, was that a sign of weakness or a sign of strength?

I'd like the Miers acolytes to answer a few of those questions (honestly) for me.

7 posted on 10/10/2005 10:47:24 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("We don't want a Supreme Court justice just like George W. Bush. We can do better.")
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To: Ol' Sparky

The democrats can rest now from their Bush bashing, as his own party is doing a better job of it than they ever did. I am so darn sick of all of this, and totally ashamed of those doing it.


8 posted on 10/10/2005 10:49:39 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: ladyinred
The democrats can rest now from their Bush bashing, as his own party is doing a better job of it than they ever did. I am so darn sick of all of this, and totally ashamed of those doing it.

You're not alone. It's doing a massive disservice to our side. Not the debate, but its tone. I talked about this with a liberal friend of mine Friday night. I asked her if she was enjoying all of this conservative meltdown and she admitted that she was. She expected me to chide her but I didn't. I told her to enjoy it because as a party and a movement we were working overtime to act like children.

9 posted on 10/10/2005 10:55:15 PM PDT by GeorgeBerryman
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To: ladyinred

So am I lady. Have you noticed it's the same bunch (you can count on one hand) who are posting one Miers hit piece after another? It must be self gratification. That's all I can figure. Like a bunch of wild animals ripping apart their prey.


10 posted on 10/10/2005 11:06:19 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Ol' Sparky
She should graciously withdraw and spare the Supreme Court and herself embarrassment.

Yes, the little lady should go back to tatting doilies in Texas. It's apparent this "legal" stuff is way over her head.

Perhaps Fein could be gracious enough to drop the patronizing tone and swallow his sour grapes.

11 posted on 10/10/2005 11:17:49 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Betaille

"I refuse to let that happen again."

When this is over, I'm taking up a collection to buy you bedwetters some gasoline. I'm sure you in the Donner Party will want a BBQ before you start eating each other.


12 posted on 10/10/2005 11:24:14 PM PDT by KingKongCobra (The "Donner Party" can just go eat themselves)
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To: GeorgeBerryman
You are correct. We began to use the ad hominem reflexively against liberals; Then routinely against conservatives, first paleo-conservatives like Pat Buchanan and then indiscriminately against any conservative who smacked of deviationism. Now, ad hominem invective is used quite democratically against anyone who rubs against us on these threads. Commit a procedural faux pas like post a double and you can expect to be scorned into outer darkness.

This is not effective discourse. This persuades no newbie pilgrims to conservatism. How effective is this manner of disputation in closing the gender gap?

Or, if that has not persuaded our fellow Freepers to abandon the low road for honest argument when they seek to convince the world of the rightness of our rightness, then I can only say:

No insult has ever fed a hungry child.


13 posted on 10/10/2005 11:24:41 PM PDT by nathanbedford (Lose your borders, lose your citizenship; lose your citizenship, lose your Bill of Rights)
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To: KingKongCobra

Who are the bedwetters? You Miers kool-aid drinkers are the ones that have pre-emptively given up on trying to get a qualified conservative on the Supreme Court. So who are the defeatists?


14 posted on 10/10/2005 11:26:00 PM PDT by Betaille ("Ms. Miers's record is one of supporting a conservative position and then abandoning it." -John Fund)
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To: ladyinred; GeorgeBerryman

I agree with you two. I posted a long "opus" from the miers discussion over in the John Fund '6 more surprises' thread, lamenting the tone of the debate. I can't take any more, I can't re-refute any more of this "history of liberal opinion" crap.


15 posted on 10/10/2005 11:28:19 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
"When Newt Gingrich and members of the COS staged an unprecedented revolt against President Bush's massive tax hike, was that a sign of weakness or a sign of strength?"

Well, it depends on whether or not you thought 8 years of Clinton and maybe another 8 more years of them yet to come was good or not ?

16 posted on 10/10/2005 11:29:51 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: Ol' Sparky; Admin Moderator

I'm making a stand. The title of this article in the Washington Times is "Lame Defense".

Moderator, please fix the title to reflect the actual title of the article, and to remove the petty attacks on fellow freepers.

Enough is enough. Can't we grow up and talk to each other like adults?


17 posted on 10/10/2005 11:31:10 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

No trick questions allowed. Drink the koolaid and sit quietly.


18 posted on 10/10/2005 11:32:16 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: ladyinred
I am so darn sick of all of this, and totally ashamed of those doing it.

Because theoretically-free Americans refuse to grab their ankles for some professional politician who says "trust me!"? The same politician who stomped the First Amendment and squanders trillions of our dollars?

Yeah, right. People need to kneel before such Rulers.

19 posted on 10/10/2005 11:43:51 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Betaille

You're a bedwetter, hon. Maybe you need a fresh sheet.


20 posted on 10/10/2005 11:52:05 PM PDT by KingKongCobra (The "Donner Party" can just go eat themselves)
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