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A Love That Was Benched by Their Careers (Miers and Hecht)
LA Times ^ | October 8, 2005 | Scott Gold and Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 10/09/2005 9:50:34 PM PDT by msnimje

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To: Graybeard58

Well, I have offered you evidence, circumstantial evidence. What would constitute "proof" for you? His own admission? Give him time, he lacks the conviction and self-admiration of Barney Frank.


21 posted on 10/09/2005 11:04:40 PM PDT by WL-law
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To: WL-law

Not every life-long bachelor is gay. There are many unmarried people...think of Condi Rice for one. Too busy, no one meets standards, more intellectual than social, etc. We all choose a unique path so why judge someone by marital status?


22 posted on 10/09/2005 11:40:34 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: WL-law
I suppose the level of proof you require is that I state that he personally propositioned me! Sorry -- I'm not your guy on that one.

No, you're not that kind of guy. But you are the kind of guy who accuses someone of being gay without adequate proof. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

23 posted on 10/10/2005 12:01:24 AM PDT by sourcery (Givernment: The way the average voter spells "government.")
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To: BonnieJ
Not every life-long bachelor is gay. There are many unmarried people...think of Condi Rice for one. Too busy, no one meets standards, more intellectual than social, etc. We all choose a unique path so why judge someone by marital status?

Exactly- there is a standing joke between me & my brother in law-

"Where's my 200 head of prime beef cattle?"

He was so worried his "little Sis" would never get married that he rashly swore, in public, that the first man to marry his sister would get 200 head of cattle. And his undying loyalty. And I've never let him forget it.

After 21 years, I also kind of doubt I'm going to take delivery on the herd, either.

Like many people, she had a career that took precedence over marriage when she was young- and like a lot of single, public figures ( yes, in our little bailiwick, she was somewhat famous ), there were rumors and hints and mutterings that she was gay, too-- although by my reckoning, she's about a hetro as any woman I've ever known.

As far as this story goes? Who knows? It's kind of charming- but I really don't think it's anyone else's business.

24 posted on 10/10/2005 2:57:29 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: WL-law

I have absolutely no problem with a gay man or lesbian sitting on the Supreme Court-provided that they meet other criteria-but I certainly do have objections-very strong ones, in fact-to nominating an individual who could possibly be exposed to a public "outing," or subjected to black mail in order to prevent one.


25 posted on 10/10/2005 3:02:43 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("We don't want a Supreme Court justice just like George W. Bush. We can do better.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
...or subjected to blackmail in order to prevent one.

Ah, now there's an excellent point.

26 posted on 10/10/2005 3:07:12 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski
If this woman was not such a question mark in so many other respects then this probably wouldn't be much of an issue.

We have no reason to believe she's gay, but on the remote chance that she is, and is concealing her sexual orientation in order to prevent an outcry among evangelicals-or for whatever reason-then we're in some deep sh*t.

27 posted on 10/10/2005 3:12:04 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("We don't want a Supreme Court justice just like George W. Bush. We can do better.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

I don't think she's gay either.


In general though, people commonly forget the risk of blackmail when dealing with that question.


28 posted on 10/10/2005 3:14:47 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski
Yes.

The only point I'm trying to make is that the most far-fetched scenarios are not so unrealistic when you are dealing with a complete enigma.

29 posted on 10/10/2005 3:17:39 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("We don't want a Supreme Court justice just like George W. Bush. We can do better.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Agreed.


30 posted on 10/10/2005 3:18:51 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: WL-law
Gay people living in the closet ( a la Souter as a 'confirmed bachelor") have secret lives, secret beliefs.

Don't know if Souter is gay, but apparently not all "confirmed bachelors" are. Brian Lamb of C-SPAN just got married for the first time about 2 weeks ago. He is 64.

31 posted on 10/10/2005 3:23:09 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Graybeard58

There is no proof that Souter is gay. You are correct. There is some circumstantial evidence. Now, normally, it would not be polite to accuse someone of being gay for that.

Personally, however, I have always felt that there are a small number of people who are so detestable, that is it OK to accuse them of such because:

1. They deserve it.
2. It makes me feel better to know that it is still possible to "accuse" someone of being gay.


32 posted on 10/10/2005 3:33:01 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: WL-law

I guess he would fall into the "secret beliefs" category though.


33 posted on 10/10/2005 3:34:01 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Graybeard58

Also, I will add that there is a cultural responsibility to accuse certain people of being gay whether or not they really are.

For example, every time Richard Gere's name comes up, it is important to bring up Gerbils, even though we all know that story is "false" from a truth standpoint, yet it is "true" from a cultural standpoint.

It is opportunities like this that allow conservatives to dip our toes into the idiotic "truth is relative" world that liberals live in. Remember, know thy enemy. In this case, we do it at the expense of Richard Gere, and perhaps Souter (although I think he probobaly is gay).


34 posted on 10/10/2005 3:37:20 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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This blows the assertions from her detractors that she's a lesbo.

...but also the assertion from her detractors that she's a devout Christian.

35 posted on 10/10/2005 3:47:55 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Shalom Israel
It would appear so.
36 posted on 10/10/2005 3:48:38 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("We don't want a Supreme Court justice just like George W. Bush. We can do better.")
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...but also the assertion from her detractors that she's a devout Christian.

Oops, I meant "supporters".

37 posted on 10/10/2005 3:52:24 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Shalom Israel
..but also the assertion from her detractors that she's a devout Christian.

How do you figure that?

My, you people (anti-Miers crowd) have active imaginations.

38 posted on 10/10/2005 5:22:12 AM PDT by alnick
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..but also the assertion from her detractors that she's a devout Christian.
How do you figure that? My, you people (anti-Miers crowd) have active imaginations.

Um, isn't it fairly obvious? Decades-long "European" relationships aren't exactly consistent with the teachings of what's-his-name... that Jesus fellow. Unless you are claiming that their decades-long relationship, which was "at times romantic", was strictly platonic?

39 posted on 10/10/2005 5:28:47 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Shalom Israel
Unless you are claiming that their decades-long relationship, which was "at times romantic", was strictly platonic?

I'm claiming that:

1. Neither you nor I know the private details of the lady's love life;

2. It's none of our damn business.

40 posted on 10/10/2005 6:19:00 AM PDT by alnick
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