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Dethrone Bennett as king of virtue
Mobile Register ^ | 10/9/5 | James L. Evans

Posted on 10/09/2005 8:02:57 AM PDT by Crackingham

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1 posted on 10/09/2005 8:02:58 AM PDT by Crackingham
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"Bennett very nonchalantly lays all crime at the feet of African-Americans."

Yeah, sure. And the author of this wonderful piece can obviously read plain English.

2 posted on 10/09/2005 8:05:16 AM PDT by Reactionary
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What part of "impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible" did he not understand?


3 posted on 10/09/2005 8:05:21 AM PDT by RichInOC ("The coffee is strong at Cafe du Monde, the doughnuts are too hot to touch..." Save the Big Greasy!)
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Barf alert?


4 posted on 10/09/2005 8:06:18 AM PDT by Ben Chad
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Barf alert?

Moron author alert.

5 posted on 10/09/2005 8:08:25 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Is it racism to cite the crime stats...they tell a story of serious crime in the black community.

When they are cited, they always come with the note that they are mainly black on black crime...so, it's okay.(?)

6 posted on 10/09/2005 8:08:49 AM PDT by blam
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Hellooo, barf alert?

What a sad article. No mention whatsoever of Bennett's wife's work in inner cities, fighting for years to prevent abortion among black girls, or his work on education and the focus on the "ghetto education" as he mentioned it on Hannity and Colmes last week, that has kept minority youth from opportunity. Bennett even explained on the same H & C show that the majority of victims of black crime are blacks themselves, and that as drug czar he fought very hard to stop that sad fact.

And lastly, no mention of the fact that that very approach to crime and poverty (the limiting of the black population) is the REASON Planned Parenthood was begun in the first place!! Although I wish Bennett had added that to explain his hypothetical.


7 posted on 10/09/2005 8:09:31 AM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (I don't think I'm half as good as I know I really am.)
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Spare us we know what was said and how it was said you lying pimping liberal.

Bennett is a great American - your not worthy to utter his name.


8 posted on 10/09/2005 8:10:37 AM PDT by kentj
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William Bennett isn't a racist. He was just using an extreme example to point out the moral implausibility of genocide. Apparently the critics missed his point to score political cheap shots. Bennett knows more about virtue than they ever will. What virtue is there in blatant character assassination?

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
9 posted on 10/09/2005 8:12:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Liberals take every opportunity to label their critics as hyprocrites, rather than looking deep inside to see and admit whether their own personal/group behaviors warrant criticism. "Shoot-the-messenger" debate.


10 posted on 10/09/2005 8:12:17 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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Missing in all this wild banter, of course, is the real offense. Bennett very nonchalantly lays all crime at the feet of African-Americans. Why single them out as the key to lowering the crime rate? Is all crime in America perpetrated by black people? Are there no white criminals, or Asian, or Hispanic?

How seriously can you take the opinion of someone who doesn't comprehend plain English? All crime? OK, Einstein...

11 posted on 10/09/2005 8:14:25 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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"In fact, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports, twice as many whites as blacks were arrested and charged with a crime in 2003."

Of course, these figures should only be used after being converted to relative percent of population. But that gets in the way of the authors opinion.
12 posted on 10/09/2005 8:14:27 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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as my 21 year old son pointed out, what Bennett said was inappropriate but not inaccurate; however, he might more correctly have said that if you aborted all MALE babies, the crime rate would go down. The difference between black/white crime is significant, but pales compared to between male/female crime.


13 posted on 10/09/2005 8:16:01 AM PDT by EDINVA
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He argued that he was speaking hypothetically and that his comments were taken out of context.

He didn't "argue" that he was speaking hypothetically and that his comments were taken out of context; he was speaking hypothetically and his remarks were taken out of context. Not to understand this is not to understand the meaning of words such as "hypothetically".

Bennett very nonchalantly lays all crime at the feet of African-Americans.

Um, no he does not. He states by implication that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime, not all crime. Not to understand this is not to understand simple grade-school mathematics.

Why single them out as the key to lowering the crime rate? Is all crime in America perpetrated by black people? Are there no white criminals, or Asian, or Hispanic?

Simple. Whites and blacks are the two largest (generalized) ethnic groups in the United States. (That is, until Hispanics surpass blacks.) And the circumstances under which blacks originally came here were highly pathological and unique, with apparently lasting effects. Therefore, in casual conversation about racial affairs it is perfectly natural that blacks are the most oft-used example group. When talking about crime and race, "blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime" is a factoid that has been used trillions of times in casual conversations. That would have to stop if blacks would stop committing a disproportionate amount of crime, of course.

None of this means whites, Hispanics, or Asians commit no crime. They do. But blacks are a ready example at hand of a prominent minority group that commits a disproportionate amount of crime, which is why they are always mentioned in this conversation. Is political correctness going to outlaw a conversation that basically everyone has had at some point in their lives?

In fact, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports, twice as many whites as blacks were arrested and charged with a crime in 2003.

That's fascinating but seeing as how there are 6-7 times as many whites as blacks in this country, it completely misses the point.

Does this genius columnist understand about proportions? fractions? Maybe not.

Bennett's remarks reveal a deeply embedded racism. He believes that crime in America has a black face.

That would be wrong. Crime in America does not have a black face. It merely has a disproportionately-black face. Which is all that Bennett said. To call this "racist" is to ban civil discussion involving cold hard facts.

There is a sort of moral arrogance at work which allows many of these folks to harshly judge the failings of others while quietly excusing their own flawed behavior.

Projection.

This columnist is too stupid to understand junior-high-level discussion and logic, he calls his target a racist and immoral, then finds fault for that target supposedly "harshly judging the failings of others". Moral arrogance indeed.

14 posted on 10/09/2005 8:19:44 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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As compassionate conservatives, we should strive to our Liberal fellow citizens, to feel their pain as they attempt to deal with the extreme cognitive dissonance resulting from socialism's failures, sympathize with their plight as the Liberal plans inflicted upn America's black communities in their paroxysms of "feel-good, good-gooder Liberalism turn out to have veeeeeerryy unintended consequences, etc.

Love the Liberals, hate their Liberalism.

It is a nasty job description, isn't it?
15 posted on 10/09/2005 8:20:34 AM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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"Dethrone Bennett as king of virtue"

Ya well, this is the only throne Evans ever accomplishes anything on.

16 posted on 10/09/2005 8:22:07 AM PDT by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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...America's self-appointed guru of virtue...

Funny how no one ever calls Jesse Jackson or Al Franken "self-appointed". Anyone who speaks out publicly for virtue will be smeared by the Left as a hypocrite. Talking about right and wrong is SO judgmental!

17 posted on 10/09/2005 8:22:11 AM PDT by RedRover
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To: EDINVA
he might more correctly have said that if you aborted all MALE babies, the crime rate would go down

That would have been correct too (at least according to the reasoning Bennett was using), but not "more" correct. Both statements are correct. I think what you mean to say is that (apparently) removing all males from the population would affect the crime-rate far more than removing all blacks. But that wasn't important to Bennett's point; he was just grasping for an obvious example of a disproportionate-crime-committing subgroup. It didn't need to be the *most disproportionate* (males) to make his point.

The fact that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime is spoken of in private conversations by basically everyone. I doubt there's anyone who is not aware of the factoid and has not given it some thought, as to its origins and ramifications. All Bennett did was bring it up, and you call it "inappropriate". That strikes me as unfair.

18 posted on 10/09/2005 8:25:13 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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im waiting for clintons book of virtues to be released soon....hmmm


19 posted on 10/09/2005 8:25:38 AM PDT by ronnied (we are the only animals that bare our teeth in greeting...)
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"But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down." He went on to say that such a notion was "an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down."

Bill Bennett says two things;
1) He says that HE BELIEVES it's true, that aborting every black baby would reduce the crime rate.

2) HE believes abortion would be morally reprehensible means of doing this.

Why is it so hard for some people to comprehend the fact that the second statement DOES NOT UNDO the racial premise in the first part of the statement?

20 posted on 10/09/2005 8:28:27 AM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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