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Armed Americans patrol B.C.-Washington border (Minutemen step up to the task)
CTV (Canada) ^ | October 3, 2005

Posted on 10/03/2005 2:50:18 AM PDT by Stoat

 

Although officials say the Canada/US border is well protected the Minutemen have set up several

Although officials say the Canada/US border is well protected, the Minuteman organization has set up several 'observation posts' along the border between Sumas and Blaine.

 

Tom Williams, head of the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps in Deming, Washington.

Tom Williams, head of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps in Deming, Washington.

Both American and Canadian protestors joined together in opposition of the Minuteman inititives, some critics allege that the group has racist motives behind their operations.

Both American and Canadian protestors joined together in opposition of the Minuteman inititives, some critics allege that the group has racist motives behind their operations.

Armed Americans patrol B.C.-Washington border

CTV.ca News Staff

A group of armed Americans began patrolling part of the 49th parallel Saturday, saying they'll be keeping an eye on those who illegally cross into the U.S. from British Columbia.

They're members of the Minuteman organization -- a private group that says Washington isn't doing enough to secure their country's borders.

Already operating along the Mexico-Arizona border, the group says it will target drug dealers, suspected terrorists and illegal immigrants who try to cross into the U.S. from B.C.

Retired Marine Corps officer Tom Williams heads the local branch of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps in Deming, Wash. He'll be leading roughly 20 Minutemen who will set up several "observation posts" along the border between Sumas and Blaine.

"We're not here predominantly to call attention to the Canadian border," Williams told CTV Vancouver. "We're here predominantly to call attention to the U.S. border patrol."

Williams said his group will act as the "extra eyes and ears" for border security, which he says needs to be much tighter.

Although some of the members carry guns, Williams said they will simply observe and report people trying to cross illegally, and that he doesn't encourage his members to bring firearms to their patrols.

"Whether they choose to arm themselves is an individual responsibility, an individual decision. Our responsibility is to make sure that if they are armed, they're armed legally."

Drug smuggling, the recent discovery of a sophisticated, cross-border drug tunnel, and the arrest of 'millennium bomber' Ahmed Ressam, who was nabbed in Washington state as he drove off a ferry from Victoria, B.C. in 1999, has put the Minutemen on alert.

New Minuteman volunteer Betsy Madan told CTV News that it "feels good to be doing something that may protect my kids and my neighbour's kids. That matters to me a whole lot."

But critics say they're worried that some of the members are armed, and that nationally, they have associations with racist organizations.

Human rights groups from both sides of the border protested the Minutemen patrols Saturday at the Peace Arch border crossing.

"If there's a problem with the border and border issues, we need to sit down together and talk about it," said Anti-Minuteman protester Rosalinda Guillen, "not walk around carrying guns or taking the laws into our own hands."

Volunteers involved with the groups have said they're not motivated by hatred, but that they want to get the government's attention and ultimately, more government funding for border security.

U.S. President George Bush once called the group "vigilantes,'' while Mexican President Vicente Fox labelled them as "migrant hunters.''

The U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security has added significant fire-power to the Northwestern Washington patrol, including helicopters, boats, and infrared cameras.

And American officials say they have enough money and enough staff to take care of whatever problems arise along the border.

The National Border Patrol Council in Tucson, Ariz., however, has endorsed the Minutemen, saying there hasn't been a single complaint about the group from its 2,000 rank-and-file field agents.

With reports by CTV's Todd Battis and CTV Vancouver's John Fenton



TOPICS: Canada; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Washington; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bc; border; britishcolumbia; immigrantlist; immigration; minutemen; terror; terrorism; terrorists; washington
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To: AMERIKA

Hrmmm, yes. Don't forget ALF and ELF and CAIR as well.

Maybe PETA too? And we can send Planned Parenthood where they can enact some real change, eh?

This is sounding better and better.


21 posted on 10/03/2005 6:52:04 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Kenton

"Turn up the good, turn down the suck!"

-at a baseball game- "You suck! Maybe you should take up another sport....Like knitting."


22 posted on 10/03/2005 6:53:46 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

but according to our press, etc, the only race that can be racist, or bigotted is white.

As crazy as that sounds.


23 posted on 10/03/2005 6:55:30 AM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The anti-Americans woudn't be in a snit if the Minutemen weren't on to something.

Border control is a major problem and it needs to be fixed.

The problem I have with the Minutemen-type folks is that they continually blame people outside the US for our border problems. And on that score they've missed the point. The real source of those problems is just this: Americans pay people to cross the border -- be it for drugs or immigrant labor.

Address the supply side, and the problem goes away.

24 posted on 10/03/2005 7:01:16 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Alexander Rubin

"I suck????"

25 posted on 10/03/2005 7:02:15 AM PDT by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: Kenton

Oh, Kurt Angle. You do suck. :) 'Taker and Goldberg and Stone Cold.


26 posted on 10/03/2005 7:03:54 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Kenton

"And that's the bottom line, because Stone Cold said so."


27 posted on 10/03/2005 7:05:13 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Stoat

(AP) Cascade Mountains, Wa. An undocumented
worker flees across the border after encountering
a Minutemen citizen border patrol.
28 posted on 10/03/2005 7:09:51 AM PDT by Rebelbase (New Orleans rebuild by Mexican Labor will produce crawfish tacos and menuedo-gumbo.)
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To: martin gibson; Stoat

"POUTINE".......YECH! Isn't that french fries with gravy on top?


29 posted on 10/03/2005 8:35:36 AM PDT by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I have always believed the Northern border is at least as dangerous in terms of terrorist infiltration as the Southern. And, given the less hostile terrain and idiot Canadian government, probably more so.


30 posted on 10/03/2005 8:47:10 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: goodnesswins
"POUTINE".......YECH! Isn't that french fries with gravy on top?

Yes, and it includes 'cheese curds' as well.  Here's far more than what you probably ever really wanted to know about Poutine:

BBC - h2g2 - Poutine, a Quebecois Speciality

31 posted on 10/03/2005 9:19:44 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Funny, it usually takes about 15 minutes to cross at Blaine. I went through Sumas yesterday, however, and I was the only car there on both occassions.

Dope smuggling is big business along the Washington/BC border, though most of it is via trails through the North Cascade forest, or through cleverly renovated automobiles, who usually cross at points farther east rather than risk the hassle at Blaine.

32 posted on 10/03/2005 10:18:56 AM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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To: Clemenza

Yeah....like the NIGHTHAWK crossing....or near it, which "closes" at night.....


33 posted on 10/03/2005 11:15:11 AM PDT by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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To: Stoat

Canadian version of "heart attack on a plate".....ironically, I only know about it because a friend of ours (who is Canadian) had it when we were in Whistler with them. And, then, a few years later....he had to have open heart surgery for 5 blockages.


34 posted on 10/03/2005 11:17:00 AM PDT by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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To: r9etb
Address the supply side, and the problem goes away.

So, you are a supply sider huh? :-)

I agree but agreeing doesn't solve the problem. How is the question and the answer is the problem. How long have we been fighting the war on drugs? Has it been successful or does it create more problems than it solves? The same needs to be asked about the border situation.

All of us can pose a solution but are we willing to do what is necessary to impose our solution? What about cost? Is there the political will, not by us but by our reresentatives?

All problems have a solution but is the light worth the candle?

That said, I think both drugs and illegals are problems that need solving. I would legalize drugs and close he borders but both face serious opposition.

35 posted on 10/03/2005 2:37:34 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
So, you are a supply sider huh? :-)

Er.... Shoulda said "demand side." (Embarrassed shuffling of feet....) Americans demand the workers by supplying the money.... (*cough*)

I agree but agreeing doesn't solve the problem. How is the question and the answer is the problem. How long have we been fighting the war on drugs? Has it been successful or does it create more problems than it solves? The same needs to be asked about the border situation.

Indeed it does. And what's main strategy are we using in the WOD? It's to keep the stuff from crossing the border. And it doesn't work, because there are a lot of Americans who pay big bucks to keep it coming.

We really need to address the American side of this problem. We're paying people to come. Once we can acknowledge that, the question is: what do we want to do about it.

Really: what's the goal here? Is it to keep people from coming over at all, or is it to keep track of the people who do come across?

The latter is a whole lot easier to do, and it also offers the possibility of gaining tax revenues from registered workers to help offset the load they put on government services. It also helps to police the American demand side if one can put the proper "legality tracking" mechanisms in place.

36 posted on 10/03/2005 2:44:30 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: garyhope
Yeah, who wants a bunch of drunken hoser illegals running around drinking OUR beer, eh?

Keep in mind that if we get better at securing the southern border, terrorists will try getting in via Canada

And South Aemerican illegals can get a tourist visa for Canada, and then come south

37 posted on 10/03/2005 2:57:30 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Stoat
U.S. President George Bush once called the group "vigilantes,''

When I voted for Bush, I never thought he would turn out to be such a coward.

38 posted on 10/03/2005 5:45:47 PM PDT by the_rightside (Union Corruption : http://www.nlpc.org/artindx.asp)
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To: SauronOfMordor

North, South, East or West, they're seemingly coming in wherever and whenever they want and the government doesn't seem to want to be able to do anything about it.


39 posted on 10/03/2005 5:51:54 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: r9etb
Again I agree. That is why I am one of the few who approves of the president's guest worker program. It is demogogued so that few know what it says. Most think it is another amnesty program but it is not. Even with that, though, the borders still need to be controlled to keep out the others. That will be a difficult and expensive proposition.

When we talk about supply and demand we must remember the illegals are coming from environments where it doesn't take much to have more appeal than home. There are also those who wish us ill so economics is of no interest to them. Like I say, it ain't an easy problem to solve.

40 posted on 10/03/2005 6:43:58 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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