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Liars’ brains make fibbing come naturally
New Scientist.com ^ | Sept 30, 2005 | Celeste Biever

Posted on 09/30/2005 11:05:52 PM PDT by DeweyCA

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To: little jeremiah

For children to grow up under the thumb of a psychopath or narcissist is unbelievably difficult. Some inherit the problem, others subconsciencely seek out the same type of person.

Got your mail. Thanks!


61 posted on 10/02/2005 8:40:13 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I hope that the kids had a taste of real life - that not everyone dominates others using cruelty, fear and anger.


62 posted on 10/02/2005 9:19:15 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
If you really want to read about this subject, here is a book you can download for free. It's an excellent book on psychopaths which includes many case-histories.

The author's daughter has put it on the internet for academic and educational use for free!

The Mask of Sanity

63 posted on 10/02/2005 9:21:49 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: little jeremiah

I tried to provide that for them as a contrast, but apparently it is too late. There's still the 11 yr old, though.


64 posted on 10/02/2005 9:31:34 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: Bon mots

Eeeek, it's 485 pages long! I bookmarked it, until I can buy more paper : )

Thank you very much for the link.


65 posted on 10/02/2005 9:43:01 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Just save it! The case histories are fascinating. Read one and I'll bet that you won't be able to stop until you have read all of them!

There are two women profiled as well. I just read the one about Anna again as a friend is in a relationship with someone like this.

66 posted on 10/02/2005 9:47:16 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Larry Lucido
I told my uncle Earl, "I hate George. He is no good. He lies. He makes me sick. He wouldn't have any friends if he didn't have the ones from high school."

Earl said, "There wouldn't be a show without George"

He was right. Most shows revolved around him in one way or another.

Now I say to my nieces, "Don't marry a man like that, he's lazy." He serves a purpose at least, but I still hate him and he was a great character on the show.

Remember: "The sea was angry my friend" something like that...what a nut...
67 posted on 10/02/2005 9:47:17 AM PDT by Taffini (My cat hates your cat)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

And you never know what will happen later in life to the other ones. Knowing you did your best is sometimes the only solace.


68 posted on 10/02/2005 9:48:20 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Bon mots

I've heard about this book, and it's pretty shocking according to the poster. I most definitely want to read this.

Have they always been out there, but constrained by a society's rules that no longer exist? Or is our culture breeding them at a high rate of speed?


69 posted on 10/02/2005 10:01:32 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: little jeremiah; Bon mots

I've quit beating myself up about certain things.

The checklist that Bon Mots provided is excellent. I printed it out, and showed it to my bf. It describes his ex, my second oldest daughter's bf(didn't a checklist for him-he can't even pretend very well), and a couple of our past employers. All you can do is avoid contact.


70 posted on 10/02/2005 10:06:42 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; little jeremiah
Cleckley's book on Psychopaths was first written in 1941, so these types have always been with us. Something like 1 percent of the population by most estimates - which in the USA translates into some 3 million psychopaths out there wreaking havoc.

The best books on the subject have been written by Dr. Robert Hare, the originator of the PCL-R checklist for identifying psychopaths. He is the world's leading expert on psychopaths.

Dr. Hare even consults with police departments. On one such consultation, the police were having trouble getting one psychopath to reveal all of his crimes. After consulting with Hare, he told them to get him to brag, so they went back to him and one of the cops said, "Ah, you ain't nuthin' compared to other serial killers like Gacey, etc..."

Whereupon, the pscyhopath then began bragging about his litany of previously unknown atrocities.

71 posted on 10/02/2005 11:02:59 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Taffini

ROFL! Loved his storytelling.

The writers did an amazing job making him someone girls wanted to have sex with (the portugese waitress, the cleaning lady, the secretary). Of course, they were all his downfall in one way or another. :-)

Even wrote in a character that wanted to marry him, of all things! (Until he killed her with envelope glue).


72 posted on 10/02/2005 11:22:40 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Bon mots

I've heard of Cleckly and Hare. I didn't realize the book was written in 1941, though.

Yes, they love to brag. It's all about meeeee! I've also heard that if you denigrate them, they'll blow up all over the place and spill the beans. I think that might go more for narcissists. Sam Vaknin has a very good website, and one of the articles is, "How To Beat A Narcissist In Court".


73 posted on 10/02/2005 5:13:59 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: DeweyCA

Body and soul comprise an organic unity. When the the soul is deformed by the will with lies, it stands to reason that the body would be affected. The scientists have cause and effect reversed. It's impossible for simple matter to make a choice for evil, which is what a lie is.


74 posted on 10/03/2005 5:05:55 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: DeweyCA

John 8:44 (KJV)

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”


75 posted on 10/04/2005 9:06:59 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: UCANSEE2

Women can 'read' men much better and faster than the other way around.>>>>>>>>>

If this be true, why are so many women taken in by men who take every advantage possible?


76 posted on 10/04/2005 3:37:00 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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