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No Science, Please – We’re British
American Thinker ^ | 9/27/05

Posted on 09/29/2005 7:30:22 AM PDT by ZGuy

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To: ZGuy
students who previously had been forced to learn physics and chemistry were, instead, taught what foods to eat.

There were no exams. Students were assigned to make a salad once a week and were graded for its quality, originality, and nutritional value.

41 posted on 09/29/2005 10:05:48 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: RightWhale
Physics has been disappearing from classrooms for several years. Lack of interest.

I teach math at a regional comprehensive university with 6000 students. We don't have a physics degree. It sort of fell through the cracks in the late 1960s when the four-year programs were being put together in what had been only a two-year program campus. Many of us have long since wanted to remedy this, but won't get a physics degree because it would only attract a handful of majors (we can't afford new faculty lines). We do offer BS/BA degrees in math, chem and bio. The latter has hundreds of majors.

42 posted on 09/29/2005 10:16:23 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: Peanut Gallery

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43 posted on 09/29/2005 10:28:00 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (See my book, "Percussive Maintenance For Dummies")
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To: megatherium
The local university has up to and including doctoral programs in math, physics, biology. They are probably up to 8000 students now due to serious growth the past few years. Of course, being a state university they have a lot more funding than the student population would justify. But, the loss of interest in physics begins early, in high school. Why this is so may be related to the same things that killed off the Apollo moon program.

The students are smart; they know where the jobs will be when they graduate. Physics isn't one of the major employers, either in number of opening or in salary.

44 posted on 09/29/2005 10:44:44 AM PDT by RightWhale (28 Sep 05 -- first snowflake --where's FEMA?)
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To: jjbrouwer

Britannia ping


45 posted on 09/29/2005 10:46:22 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: burzum; ZGuy
It has long been my view that the "nuclear controversy" arose because people were not given decent science educations and did not understand the science and engineering principles behind reactors.

No kidding. I was arguing with a guy who did not want more reactors because they might give him cancer (pure BS BTW). However, he did have a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. Go figure.

46 posted on 09/29/2005 10:56:42 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Tax-chick

Good grief! - - 10 years from now... PhD thesis = "Pot Holes are Bad". LOL!


47 posted on 09/29/2005 10:59:55 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: doc30; DoctorMichael
Maybe the IDer's will look to this for inspiration. It would fit with their agenda.

Indeed it would.

48 posted on 09/29/2005 11:02:34 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: ZGuy
More precisely, students will be permitted to choose between traditional courses that teach the Periodic Table, ionic equations, the structure of the atom, Boyle’s law, and Ohm’s law...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but generally speaking, once you get past junior high school (ie past grade 8 or 9) don't students in north America generally have the option to bypass science courses altogether? At least in my personal experience I never learned any real hard science in terms of chemistry or physics until grades 11 and 12, and those courses were entirely optional. "Science" classes in elementary and junior high were jokes, really, where I can't recally learning much more than a smattering of biology and some basic scientific concepts. No real lab exercises to speak of. Most of my schoolmates who weren't planning further studies in the sciences never took physics, chemistry or biology. Personally I never took high school biology, not having an interest in it. Forcing people who have no interest in the sciences to study them is unlikely to produce graduates who have any real understanding of those sciences, IMO.

Personally I just wish that scientific illiterates like most reporters weren't allowed to comment on science stories that they not the slightest understanding of.

49 posted on 09/29/2005 11:12:23 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: wallcrawlr

No, it's an accurate description of ID. The best way to introduce ID is to trash science in general. That's the only way ID can be considered science.


50 posted on 09/29/2005 11:26:58 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

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51 posted on 09/29/2005 11:31:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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52 posted on 09/29/2005 11:31:58 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: ZGuy

They could slash their education budget, and just have the kids watch TV all day....


53 posted on 09/29/2005 11:34:30 AM PDT by eagle11
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To: doc30
No, it's an accurate description of ID. The best way to introduce ID is to trash science in general.

Will you give it a rest already.

Can't you guys at least limit your insults to the ID / Evolution threads. Why do you feel the need to hijack other threads by baiting people with snide comments.

54 posted on 09/29/2005 11:46:54 AM PDT by ProudGOP
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To: ProudGOP

No, I won't give it a rest. Science education and ID intertwined. People who don't understand science think they are separate, but ID is a threat to science education in general. What the British are doing is, for practical purposes almost the same. At least the British aren't trying to pass non-science off as science. Without science we will be cutting our own throats in terms of technological and scientific advances that, thus far have help make the U.S. a fantastic nation.


55 posted on 09/29/2005 11:54:28 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Captain Rhino
No one can remember when or how the decision was made to divide humanity into the Eloi and the Morlocs.

Now we know.

LOL!!

That's great.

56 posted on 09/29/2005 12:03:33 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: doc30
Right. You must believe in Evolution or Science is doomed. Give me a break.

Regardless, I will not comment any more about this subject on this thread. The 10 Evolution / ID threads per month are more than enough.

57 posted on 09/29/2005 12:48:17 PM PDT by ProudGOP
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

I paraphrased the line from the "Talking Rings" scene in the 1960's version of the "Time Machine."

I was about to search on-line to see if it also occurred in the book but then remembered that this was one of those instances where the movie was actually better than the book. The "Talking Rings" scene (and most of the second half of the movie) didn't occur in the book.

Glad you liked it.


58 posted on 09/29/2005 12:58:32 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: ProudGOP
The 10 Evolution / ID threads per month are more than enough.

And 10/month is only a fraction of the total number ;)

59 posted on 09/29/2005 1:07:46 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: -YYZ-

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but generally speaking, once you get past junior high school (ie past grade 8 or 9) don't students in north America generally have the option to bypass science courses altogether?"

That's how it was when I went to school in the 1960's and '70's. I took biology in ninth grade and supposedly I was done. Only reason I took physics and chemistry my senior year in high school is that I aced the science part of the ACT and my counselor suggested them (loved physics; hated chemistry). But I'm pretty sure that high score was due to my addiction to Isaac Asimov's non-fiction, not school. ;)

I homeschool, but I've seen the requirements for public schools my state, and the science requirments at the grade school level are laughable. Sort of a symbolic effort until sixth grade, and not very serious after that.


60 posted on 09/29/2005 1:17:50 PM PDT by Amity
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