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To: Tao Yin
The idea that the keys gave Peter primacy was first mentioned by Optatus, who lived in the fourth century. This is an example of looking back into the Bible to get what you want out of it.

I'm sorry, there was just so much error in your post that I couldn't let it go :-)

Tertullian in 220 AD - a century before your claim:

"[T]he Lord said to Peter, 'On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven' [Matt. 16:18-19]. . . . Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys, not to the Church; and whatever you shall have bound or you shall have loosed, not what they shall have bound or they shall have loosed" (Modesty 21:9-10 [a.D. 220])."

As I said, please do more research on the Papacy.
158 posted on 09/29/2005 9:30:11 AM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: mike182d

The year 220? Thanks, I stand corrected, but that still doesn't invalidate my proposition that the keys were an invention to prove a point that they already held to be true.

The problem is that I don't believe in secret teachings or evolutionary doctrine.

You mentioned the Trinity as evolutionary doctrine, but that is terminology. Nothing has been added to the Scriptures regarding the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We just use a different name.

Regarding the keys given to Peter (only mentioned in 1 of the 3 tellings of the story) their meaning has been a theological evolution. Something has been added to Scripture, not just restated.

The same evolutionary doctrine can be seen in the beliefs about Mary. I don't know if she was a perpetual virgin, but I know belief either way is not a condition of salvation.

Beleif that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary is found in every creed. Claiming that belief of Mary's perpetual virginity is a condition of salvation is only found in the writings of some Pope.

My beliefs are founded on the apostolic church. The beliefs I follow have not evolved over time, but are founded on the rock; belief in Jesus. Salvation is by grace, through faith, for works.


176 posted on 09/30/2005 8:41:28 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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