Scouts targeted in San Diego

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | September 25, 2005

[Dark Knight]

Billy Dale was the poster child for this movement. Almost EVERY story omitted what happened. Billy Dale (not his birth name) was an eagle scout. He continued to be a leader in his troop. He went off to college and had a torrid affair with an older man. He wrote about it in the college paper as an "it's wonderful to have an affair with an older man", human interest story.

The troop reacted appropriately, and banned him from being in a leadership role. He sued and they won.

The real question is where does the money to take a slam dunk case like this to the supreme court, knowing they were going to lose?

ACLU is rather faceless. Tides foundation is not. Kerry Heinz are both far leftist radicals that launder money to fund these groups.

Of course JF Kerry's Brother in Law made a billion dollars worth of land contracts right after we normalized relations with Viet Nam.

Not related, sorry.

DK

[RonF]

I think a coalition of heterosexual activists and theists should march on the headquarters of Scouting for All and demand it open its membership to them.

You don't have to be gay or an atheist to belong to Scouting for All. It's founding premise is to persuade the BSA (via public pressure, they don't get involved in lawsuits) to change its membership policies.

[KC_for_Freedom]

Thanks Ron. I was not aware that any "real" research is done when one applies. I know that we gave references, but was not aware of references being called. Of course as an Eagle, I never thought they needed to do research on me, but maybe they did. (The FBI background investigation I needed for my job was probably more complete.)

[RonF]

As of April 1 of this year, the BSA has hired a company whose name I forget ("Check" something, I think) to run a nationwide check on every leader who files a Adult Application. That includes currently registered leaders who are switching to a new position (e.g., from Webelos Den Leader to Assistant Scoutmaster). If you show up with a conviction anywhere in the U.S., there should be a hit, and then it depends on what your conviction was for.

[KC_for_Freedom]

RonF, you are to be commended for your service to the Scouts, thanks. In retirement now, and on the road, my main support will likely be financial. (Past Eagle, past Asst SM and father of an Eagle.)

[RonF]

Thanks. I appreciate yours as well. It's been an interesting trip for me. I was in as a youth from Bobcat to Life. Summer Camp staff (Camp Child in Buzzards Bay, MA and Owasippe Scout Reservation in Whitehall, MI), high adventure canoe trip (Matagamon Canoe Base, ME), OA, PL, SPL, JASM, etc. I left Scouting as a youth when I came back from college with my hair down my neck some and got pulled aside by my Scoutmaster and Committee Chair and was told that I looked like a pimp (when I tell our current Scouts this, I have to tell them that at the time, that was an insult, not a compliment). They seemed kind of mad, as if they didn't want me around, so I took the hint.

Fast forward to when my son became Cub age. My wife took him to the round-up, came home (I was speaking at a professional society meeting), and told me that the Pack needed a Cubmaster and that her relating of my Scouting career had piqued the unit committee's interest. I became Cubmaster. Then Scoutmaster, starting up a Troop when my son's Webelos den graduated. That was about 13 years ago. When my son graduated, I stepped down to ASM and promptly got recruited to become District Commissioner. I'm also still on the Pack Committee and am a not-particularly active Associate Advisor for a Venture Crew that went to Japan on a cultural exchange. So I have a few uniforms hanging in my closet, and I'm still going on campouts with the Troop (this last weekend, in fact) and taking Scouts on high adventure canoe trips into Canada.

Heck, if I don't do this my wife will expect me to work around the house!

[KC_for_Freedom]

Heck, if I don't do this my wife will expect me to work around the house!

You get that too? But yes, it was the same for me. I was a high school teacher when my son's cubmaster announced that he was retiring and I was asked to take over. Cubs was not as much fun for me, but I did it until my son moved across the Webelos bridge. (In my day it was Wolf, Bear, Lion , Scout BTW) Once in the scouts, my son broke his leg the first camping trip -- playing capture the flag in the dark of course --. But he healed and stuck it out. We had a lot of good leaders and everyone pitched in. But when he graduated from High School (by this time I was back in an engineering job) we sold the house and my wife and I hit the road. I have no doubt my son (now graduating from AU) will give back to the organization as well.

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

More on the nastiness that is in San Diego.

Freepmail me and DirtyHarryY2K if you want on/off this pinglist.

Here's another article about the same event/topic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1491796/posts?page=31#31

[Calpernia]

Thanks for the link. Don't worry about this too much. I already copied it off to some major funders of the Scouts who AREN'T going to be happy campers about this ;)

[little jeremiah]

Good for you!

News like this needs to be spread far and wide. Light needs to be shone on the darkness.

[gidget7]

You are exactly right! They have managed to get them into the school systems, and they will not give up on the boy scouts OR the church. Not GLDSEN is on board, the very groups who indoctrinates kids as early as elementary school.

These idiots, AND the courts most of the time, just don't get it. Or maybe they do, and that is why they continue (scary thought!) When you degrade morals, in any public way, by advocating, endorsing, making laws to do either of those things, teaching immoral is good, celebrate it, anything you do to promote them, you are creating negative effects on humanity and society. You are creating a culture that is no longer governed by nature, or common sense. When it goes so far as to indoctrinate children, in schools OR the scouts, you are eliminating the purpose for having these organizations in the first place, and instead create a new generation filled with fear, and vulnerability living in a world with no rationale. without which there is no sense of purpose or fudillment.

Children are what they live, if they live with dysfunction, are subjected to it, they will grow up to be dysfunctional!

A lot of things we parents teach children to view as immoral, are not illegal. Adultery, sex before marriage, having children out of wedlock, as well as too young, living a life on welfare, divorce, and yes sodomy, though the latter is an abomination, while the rest are sins. Yet NONE of them is something we want sanctioned or endorsed to our children. NONE of them, we want taught as normal and healthy in school. Nor do we want them endorsed or sanctioned by the boy scouts. The whole purpose to the boy scouts is to teach character, values, morals, and integrity, not steer kids away from those things!

These activists really should start facing the fact, that the very reason they are NOT bullied, harassed, or having violence acted out against them, is BECAUSE of the very morals, values, character and integrity we hold dear, the very ones they would destroy!!

[gidget7]

"Isn't illegal to harrass people for exercising their Constitutional rights?"


Yes it is, however these people and the courts conveniently forget, every time, that Religion is also protected as a class in hate crimes laws, as well as being in the first amendment.

[zipper]

Several of you asked in one form or another "Why don't they just start their own organization?" I read some good comments from all of you. My short answer is: I don't think they actually want to be scouts-- they just want to tear down the institution of Scouting.

I'll put it another way.

First a short anecdote-- when I was a teenager, and a scout, one of my good friends who was not a scout and didn't understand scouting said to me in a accusatory tone: "the Boy Scouts are just a paramilitary group". At first I was revulsed, because I knew he intended it as an insult. But the more I thought about it, he was of course right. And furthermore, it is something to be proud of! Scouts teach survival skills, leadership, self-responsibility, self-discipline; they wear paramilitary uniforms, they salute, they take an oath, they play "capture the flag", they utilize rank and chains-of-command, etc.

The Boy Scouts is about making "boys" into "men" through mentorship and the teaching of essential masculine and leadership skills-- and what could be more masculine, what institution encourages and rewards leadership more than the U.S. military?

So what the ungodly atheist/gay alliance desires is not to form their own scouting organization, because they are opposed to, or are uninterested in, the core values of Scouting. What they want is to be accepted as equals in society; and the only way they can achieve this as their end-goal is to tear down, from within, the most valued and sacred institutions that morally oppose their behaviors and/or character-- churches and scouting being two of them. They have already partially succeeded with the military (thanks to Clinton) and the Lutheran church.

I can't think of any two finer institutions than Scouting or the U.S. military. I hope I can do as much for them as they did for me.

zipper

Class of Eagles '74; Lt Col USAF/ANG/AFR (retired)

[RonF]

My observation is that people who want to have open gays accepted into Scouting fall into two camps:

One group consists of parents who are gay themselves or that have kids who are gay that want the advantages of Scouting for their kids and want to participate in Scouting with them. Many of these parents were Scouts themselves. I have some sympathy for this, as their motivation is to get the Scouting program for their kids.

The other group sees Scouting as a means to an end; by having "avowed" homosexuals able to join Scouting, it helps to normalize homosexuality in American culture. I have no sympathy for this, even as I have no sympathy for people who desire to use Scouting for any other self-gratifying end. I don't think they intend to destroy Scouting, but I do think that they don't care whether or not it does. The idea is that it is paramount that homosexuality be accepted across the board, and if something can't survive that then it shouldn't survive.

[RonF]

Actually, with regards to female membership the BSA is among the minority worldwide. There are 28 million Scouts and Scouters in 156 different Scouting associations in the World Organization of Scouting Movements (WOSM), and the ones that don't allow girls of all ages along with the boys tend to be the Moslem countries and us. I think we have good reasons for what we do, but I have to confess that I don't like the company we're keeping in that regard.

[RonF]

... a shotgun shooting badge is only current shooting skill taught the scouts.

Not true. The BSA offers 3 shooting sports merit badges; Archery, Rifle Shooting, and Shotgun Shooting. The Rifle Shooting merit badge can be obtained using either a standard .22 rifle, an air rifle, or a black-powder muzzle loading rifle (actually, they usually use Pyrodex). The Marksmanship MB went away when Shotgun Shooting was created, but Rifle Shooting took it's place.

[KC_for_Freedom]

they just want to tear down the institution of Scouting

Yes, when I asked why they don't form their own group, it was a rhetorical question. I know they will never form a group with the principles they espouse because they would not be able to accept the almost total lack of sign ups to a homosexual - atheist organization.

And yes the Boy Scouts is a paramilitary organization, from its start in the UK it has been a pre-military organization and to this day, Eagle scouts are recognized by the Army with an immediate rank advancement upon enlisting.

[Myrddin]

The skills and discipline learned in the Scouts is a fine introduction to military skills. My #2 son is a LCPL in the USMC Reserve. His received his Second Class and First Class badges at his first court of honor. Unfortunately, his scout leader suggested he should "slow down". He did. Full stop. He directed his efforts into the high school band, tutoring AP classes and earning a 4.33 GPA.

[Squantos]

Cool........Thanks for the update !

http://mercerarea-bsa.org/shooting/

[RonF]

And yes the Boy Scouts is a paramilitary organization, from its start in the UK it has been a pre-military organization and to this day, Eagle scouts are recognized by the Army with an immediate rank advancement upon enlisting.

Eagles don't get a military pay grade advancement until they successfully complete basic training, at which point they progress from an E-1 to an E-3. They only get that if they make sure the recruiting officer marks it on their paperwork as part of their enlistment process. And there are numerous other criteria that can qualify you for that advancement, including two years of college and attainment of the Gold Award in the Girl Scouts. I don't think anyone is calling the Girl Scouts a paramilitary organization. The BSA is not a paramilitary organization. There are certainly skills taught that are useful in a military setting, but they are not taught in a military context, nor is there an emphasis on military skills.