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Muslims and the Holocaust
Boston Globe ^ | September 19, 2005 | Cathy Young

Posted on 09/19/2005 8:40:49 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

RECENTLY IN England, four Muslim-staffed committees appointed to advise Prime Minister Tony Blair and his Cabinet on issues related to Islam have come up with a recommendation: Get rid of an official event viewed as offensive to Muslims. What event would that be? A celebration of the Crusades, perhaps? No, Holocaust Memorial Day.

In the words of one committee member, ''The very name Holocaust Memorial Day sounds too exclusive to many young Muslims. It sends out the wrong signals: that the lives of one people are to be remembered more than others."

That ''one people," of course, are the Jews.

The committees aren't exactly proposing that the Holocaust commemoration be scrapped outright. They want it to be folded into a ''Genocide Memorial Day" that will also include such crimes as the slaughter of the Tutsis in Rwanda and the massacres of Bosnian Muslims by the Milosevic regime.

Unfortunately, even against the bloody backdrop of the 20th century, there are strong reasons to regard the Nazi extermination of the Jews as a unique atrocity. It was the first, and so far the only time that, as Cornell University historian Stephen Katz put it in his 1994 book ''The Holocaust in Historical Context," that ''a state set out, as a matter of intentional principle and actualized policy, to annihilate physically every man, woman, and child belonging to a specific people."

But the problem with the proposal goes far deeper. The other ''genocides" for which they want recognition include the Israeli killings of Palestinians.

Clearly, Palestinians have suffered under the occupation. Over 4,000 have been killed since the renewal of violence five years ago. Some of these dead were completely innocent victims; others were fighters, violent protesters, or suicide bombers. (Nearly 1,000 Israelis have died as well.)

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: holocaust; islam; judaism; nazism; terrorism
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1 posted on 09/19/2005 8:40:50 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

Someone post that picture of the Mufti of Jersusalem meeting with Nazi brass.


2 posted on 09/19/2005 8:42:07 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

3 posted on 09/19/2005 8:43:57 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

bump for later


4 posted on 09/19/2005 8:44:26 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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To: West Coast Conservative
''The very name Holocaust Memorial Day sounds too exclusive to many young Muslims. It sends out the wrong signals: that the lives of one people are to be remembered more than others."

That ''one people," of course, are the Jews.

If it's not about Muslims, there is no value to anything. Muslims are the most self centered group in history.

5 posted on 09/19/2005 8:45:04 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: West Coast Conservative
''Genocide Memorial Day" that will also include such crimes as the slaughter of the Tutsis in Rwanda and the massacres of Bosnian Muslims by the Milosevic regime.

How about the genocide of Armenians by Muslim Turks of the Ottoman Empire? Anyone? Anyone?

6 posted on 09/19/2005 8:49:53 AM PDT by socal_parrot (Does this tagline make me look fat?)
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To: West Coast Conservative

and the massacres of Bosnian Muslims by the Milosevic regime.

Yeah, even though those "massacres" were almost exclusively of men of fighting age, wearing fatigues, in villages where a lot of guns were laying around.  That's a lot like women, children, and the elderly along with men being dragged off to death camps and shot or gassed, or worse.

Anyways, the Holocaust never happened.  That's what Mahmoud Abbas told me.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

7 posted on 09/19/2005 8:54:01 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: West Coast Conservative
A very subtle article.

"...4,000 Palestinians have been killed since the renewel of violence 5 years ago. Some of these dead were completely innocent victims; others were fighters, violent protesters, or suicide bombers. (Nearly 1,000 Israelis have died as well.)"

Implication? Israel purposely killed 4,000 innocent Palestinians. Better yet, the 1,000 Israelis that have been killed were not innocent and only rate a mention in paranthesis.

8 posted on 09/19/2005 8:54:12 AM PDT by sofaman
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To: socal_parrot

"And who remembers the Armenians?" /Hitler


9 posted on 09/19/2005 8:54:29 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: West Coast Conservative
It was the first, and so far the only time that, as Cornell University historian Stephen Katz put it in his 1994 book ''The Holocaust in Historical Context," that ''a state set out, as a matter of intentional principle and actualized policy, to annihilate physically every man, woman, and child belonging to a specific people."

I don't think so. The Khmer Rouge specifically went after those of Vietnamese descent.

10 posted on 09/19/2005 8:58:24 AM PDT by killjoy (Real Men Love Bush)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The Nazis used any religion to further their power. For example, the Nazis raised two Muslim Waffen SS Divisions during the war. These were the only true "religious" SS Division the Nazis ever created (and it is safe to say that the Germany was not a Muslim nation). Himmler was fascinated by the thought of Muslims to be fearless soldiers willing to kill for their religion. One of these Muslim Waffen SS divisions (The Hanjer Division) was responsible for the murder of over 90 percent of the Yugoslavian Jewish population.


11 posted on 09/19/2005 9:02:59 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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The Nazis used any religion to further their power.

The Nazi's and Muslims were also united in their hatred of that form of government that was thought to be the product of Jewish and Christian culture...democracy. Hitler called England a Jewish nation and hated the U.S. for the same reason. Neither Hitler's totalitarianism nor Islam's concept of world caliphate is compatible with democracy.

Here is a link to an excellent article regarding the commonality of Islam, the left, secular Europe, and the Nazi's (the article itself was posted on FR yesterday or the day before)...

"Democratic Universality and Its Adversaries" by Joel Fishman

12 posted on 09/19/2005 9:19:08 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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13 posted on 09/19/2005 9:22:32 AM PDT by SJackson (“I worry that I've seen this movie before”, Rep. Mark Kirk on aid to palestinians.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The last paragraph is pathetic- all these MOOsLIME groups and their leaders and their press are anti-semetic---but that doesn't mean all moooslimes are. No I'm sure theres a plumber in Jakarta who's indifferent on the subject.


14 posted on 09/19/2005 9:29:51 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (admittedly too unstable for public office)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I have no problem with a Genocide day instead of a Holocaust day. However, the Muslims would be shown largely as perpetrators, not victims.


15 posted on 09/19/2005 9:36:16 AM PDT by rmlew (In Venevuela, they arrest you for protesting Hugo Chavez. At Columbia U, they merely threaten you.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

A small thing I noticed while reading the article -- their clerics make "claims" this or that happened; while we write books to prove our thesis.

I also can't believe MSM actually admits some of the nasty things Muslims says about Jews (pigs and monkeys, etc.) and how widespread it is.


16 posted on 09/19/2005 9:49:28 AM PDT by BamaGirl
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I also can't believe MSM actually admits some of the nasty things Muslims says about Jews (pigs and monkeys, etc.) and how widespread it is.

Yet, on the other hand, we need to loudly proclaim the truth about Islam and that includes the outrageous things they say. Everyone knows that the Jewish people are a remarkable people and we also know that if anyone is decended from monkeys or pigs, it is Mohammed.

And quite frankly, I have a higher opinion of pigs and monkeys than I do Mohammed and his devout followers.

17 posted on 09/19/2005 10:04:37 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: West Coast Conservative
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Moslems in the Nazi army.
18 posted on 09/19/2005 10:18:07 AM PDT by Old Seadog (Birthdays start out being fun. But too many of them will kill you..)
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To: socal_parrot

You're absolutely right, but don't forget Assyrians and Greeks who died alongside Armenians. With that said, if the memorial will just be for the Nazi genocide in WWII timeframe, it wouldn't be historically correct to be just about the Jews. Almost as many, or even the same number of others were killed. I'd like to see a memorial specifically for the Armenians, etc. because hardly anybody even knows it happened, and it is a perfect example of Muslims killing Christians on a huge scale.


19 posted on 09/19/2005 10:18:31 AM PDT by MadManDan
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To: West Coast Conservative

Hmmm... I find the fact that a Muslim wants a "Genocide Memorial Day" very telling.


20 posted on 09/19/2005 10:20:43 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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