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Vatican to Check U.S. Seminaries on Gay Presence
NY Times ^
| 9/15/05
| Laurie Goodstein
Posted on 09/15/2005 12:07:00 AM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham
"You could have somebody who's been in the seminary for five or six years and is planning to be ordained and the rector knows they're a homosexual," said Father Reese, now a visiting scholar at Santa Clara University in California. "What are they going to do, throw them out?Yes.
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posted on
09/16/2005 7:54:40 AM PDT
by
frogjerk
(LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
To: Salvation
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posted on
09/16/2005 8:19:30 AM PDT
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: Crackingham
Next they are going to say that this will worsen the shortage of priests. Even if that were true, I'd be happy to drive 50 miles to mass every Sunday, knowing that the Church has been cleansed of this evil filth.
I also believe that absent the homosexual culture in the seminaries, many good men will return to the ranks of the priesthood.
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posted on
09/16/2005 8:30:55 AM PDT
by
ElkGroveDan
(I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
To: Dominick
However, many homosexuals do seek out younger males, Absolutely. If you have the stomach for it, flip through one of their magazines or go to one of their websites. Their ENTIRE filthy culture centers around targeting youth and innocence.
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posted on
09/16/2005 8:33:24 AM PDT
by
ElkGroveDan
(I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
To: xsmommy
"Goodbye, Good Men"
I mentioned this book to a priest the other day and he agreed with it. I was surprised at how matter-of-factly he stated it. He was ordained in 1990.
The 'sex-abuse' problem won't be solved till they sweep out the seminaries...
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posted on
09/16/2005 8:58:26 AM PDT
by
CatQuilt
(GLSEN is evil)
To: newzjunkey
The issue of gay seminarians and priests has been in the spotlight because a study commissioned by the church found last year that about 80 percent of the young people victimized by priests were boys. Can you read?
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:00:30 AM PDT
by
CatQuilt
(GLSEN is evil)
To: Crackingham
I grew up Catholic. One thing I've debated with my father since Santorums comments is this: I disagree with Santorum. It was not "liberalism" that caused the Catholic church's problems. In fact, I'd say kinda the opposite. Here's my take: agree or disagree?
Most priests I know are at least 70 or 80 years old. Sure some are younger, but the MAJORITY of priests today, I'd say are old. Back when they joined the priesthood, homosexuality was a social NO NO. Your options in the 50s and before were to get married or become a priest. Therefore MANY closeted homosexuals went into priesthood because they could "hide" their sexuality.
Thing is, priests take the vow of chastity. Doesn't matter if they are hetero or homosexual, priests shouldn't be having sex - PERIOD. That is the vow they took.
Anyhow, now that being gay is more accepted today, I don't see it being as big of an issue.
And I think where the church messed up was letting these men stay in the priesthood. They broke their vows. PERIOD.
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:11:25 AM PDT
by
mosquitobite
(What we permit, we promote.)
To: CatQuilt
exactly. it is as simple as that. not only will the sex abuse problem be solved, but the priest shortage will miraculously be solved also.
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:13:23 AM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: mosquitobite
It was not "liberalism" that caused the Catholic church's problems you are absolutely incorrect. read the book. "Goodbye, Good Men." period.
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:14:37 AM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: newzjunkey
Uh, most of the cases involved 15 and 16 year olds. That's not pedophilia. It is well documented that many seminaries are dominated by homosexuals. I had many "Father Liberaces" at my high school in my youth.
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:16:02 AM PDT
by
Clemenza
(What's Puzzling You is Just the Nature of My Game)
To: xsmommy
So you're saying no one was gay before liberalism?
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:17:15 AM PDT
by
mosquitobite
(What we permit, we promote.)
To: mosquitobite
i am saying you are not in any position to discuss this knowledgeably until you read that book.
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:17:53 AM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: xsmommy
So Michael S Rose is the know all be all? Come on.
Here from my search on the book.
Why are so many seminaries empty? Michael S. Rose has the courage a courage that many Church leaders lack of giving us the fearful but uncontestable answer: because vice has penetrated into many of them, and those who do not condone vice are excluded."
I call BULLSHIT.
The reason they are empty is NOT because all that are left are immoral and homosexual and pedophiles. Come on!
If they are more empty now it gives my argument even MORE backing! Homosexuality used to be taboo. To avoid that stigma, they went into the priesthood. Now that they can practice homosexuality more openly in society, there is no need to become a priest. Therefore, empty seminaries.
Liberalism has HELPED the Catholic church purge this filth from its ranks by giving them somewhere else to go. Good, bad, or indifferent.
In the end, it's not about homosexuality in the priesthood. If it was a priest having sex with the nuns it would be the same for me. Priests take a vow of chastity. Even if they were gay, if they kept their vows, this wouldn't be an issue.
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:26:05 AM PDT
by
mosquitobite
(What we permit; we promote.)
To: mosquitobite
oh read a tidbit ABOUT the book, and that qualifies you to speak knowledgeably? i don't think so. you can call whatever you like but if you don't read the book, you are speaking directly from your nether regions on this matter;
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:28:15 AM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: xsmommy
I spent 12 years in a Catholic school, so I do have a bit of experience on the topic. K, thanks!
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:29:47 AM PDT
by
mosquitobite
(What we permit; we promote.)
To: mosquitobite
oh for heaven's sake, 12 years in a public school? please.
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:30:22 AM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: xsmommy
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:30:48 AM PDT
by
mosquitobite
(What we permit; we promote.)
To: mosquitobite
sorry i meant to say Catholic school. attending a catholic school from cradle to grave doesn't really stack up against the author's in depth research on this topic. you can speak to one school in one community. you are certainly free to express your OPINION but that is all it is.
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:31:59 AM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: mosquitobite
i wasn't just raised catholic, as you claim, i AM one, and a practicing one, not a catholic in name only. not that i need to present any bona fides to you, but i have KIDS In catholic grade schools and high school. i get the feeling you just graduated.
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:34:38 AM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: xsmommy
So I'm supposed to believe because he did research that all seminaries are full of evil homosexual priests who sit around discussing how to keep out the heterosexual ones so they can prey on children. RIIIIIGHT. That's why I asked if you were a Catholic.
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posted on
09/16/2005 9:35:24 AM PDT
by
mosquitobite
(What we permit; we promote.)
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