[M. Espinola]

"To some, it's obvious who started the war."

It certainly is abundantly obvious who started the Civil War, coupled with the driving issue of slavery forever interlinked to the seditious Confederate ring leaders. Once again you have attempted to deny the Confederate goal to expand their Forced-Labour-Empire westward

Enter The No Spin Zone

Declarations of Causes of Seceding States:

Mississippi:

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."

"That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove."

"The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory."

"The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France."

"The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico."

"It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction."

"t refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion."

"It tramples the original equality of the South under foot."

"It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain. "It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

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South Carolina:

..."an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery.."

Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.

"United together, and we must be a great, free and prosperous people, whose renown must spread throughout the civilized world, and pass down, we trust, to the remotest ages. We ask you to join us in forming a confederacy of Slaveholding States."

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Georgia:

..The law for the admission of Missouri, prohibiting slavery in all that portion of the territory acquired from France lying North of 36 [degrees] 30 [minutes] north latitude and outside of Missouri.

"The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization."

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Texas:

"We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable."

"She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as Negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time." (There's plenty more where those quotes came from)

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You were saying what? Slavery was not the issue? Your boys making those speeching today's KKK still quote speak of nothing else.

"Allmost all of the reasons for war seem to be driven more by fiery rhetoric than by a desire to actually carry slavery westward."

Those pro-slavers you admire and steadfastly support, were defeated before they could expand their Slaveocracy westward, while in the South the slave masters had their Slave Empire dismantled.

Don't you feel it's a real shame those Confederate slave wiping traitors were denied their goals? Too bad about those poor little old Confederates losing all their Jim Crow 'laws'. Funny how rarely the courts get it right & overturned those Deep South 'laws' as being unconstitutional.

[Gianni]

It certainly is abundantly obvious who started the Civil War,

Finally, an FR Unionist who can read. Lincoln, in combination with Fox, created the plan that plunged the country into war. The totally-unqualified-to-make-the-decision Lincoln, following the advice of the totally-unqualified-to-make-the-decision Fox, contrary to the advice of trained military personnel, made the decision to violate the armistice. Just to be 100% certain, Admiral Lincoln sabotaged his own invasion plan by diverting Powhatan to Florida.

Congressional inquiries were stonewalled until the Union war machine was in full force. What passes as an acceptable answer to Congressional inquiry sure has changed:

MESSAGE TO THE SENATE.

TO THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES:--I have received a copy of the resolution of the Senate, passed on the 25th instant, requesting me, if in my opinion not incompatible with the public interest, to communicate to the Senate the despatches of Major Robert Anderson to the War Department during the time he has been in command of Fort Sumter. On examination of the correspondence thus called for, I have, with the highest respect for the Senate, come to the conclusion that at the present moment the publication of it would be inexpedient.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN

WASHINGTON, MARCH 16, 1861

It seems that once he realized how long his leash was without Southerners in congress, he got pretty good at it, though:

To the house of representatives:

In answer to the resolution of the House of Representatives of the 24th instant, asking the grounds, reasons, and evidence upon which the police Commissioners of Baltimore were arrested and are now detained as prisoners at Port McHenry, I have to state that it is judged to be incompatible with the public interest at this time to furnish the information called for by the resolution.

Abraham Lincoln.

Admiral Lincoln was a real weasel when it came to manipulating public opinion:

But if, as now appears to be true, in pursuit of a purpose to drive the United States authority from these places, an unprovoked assault has been made upon Fort Sumter, I shall hold myself at liberty to repossess, if I can, like places which had been seized before the Government was devolved upon me. And in every event I shall, to the extent of my ability, repel force by force. In case it proves true that Fort Sumter has been assaulted, as is reported, I shall perhaps cause the United States mails to be withdrawn from all the States which claim to have seceded, believing that the commencement of actual war against the Government justifies and possibly demands this.

Once again you have attempted to deny the Confederate goal to expand their Forced-Labour-Empire westward.

No, in fact, I could not have addressed it more directly. Which state in the West was a slave empire, messpinola? The territories were open to slavery, so where were the enormous numbers?

You were saying what? Slavery was not the issue?

No, in fact I said that slavery was the primary issue. Clean out your ears, dunderhead, you're making an ass of yourself.