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To: 4CJ; Colonel Kangaroo; mac_truck; Heyworth; Grand Old Partisan; justshutupandtakeit; ...
"The Confederates were traitors to their own government?"

Naturally, when a grouping of Southern power brokers for Slavery Inc became totally frantic over losing the White House in the election of 1860's, and then conspire as a criminal enterprise to break away from the rest of the United States, invented a so-called 'government', appointed their own version of a 'president' & cabinet plus schemed coordinated sneak attacks directed at Federal military forts & naval vessels, for the sole purpose of continuing & expanding the totalitarian Slavocracy. I would term those rebellious sore losers as lawlessness traitors provoking bloody insurgency.

The White House of 1861 was confronted with a domestic terrorist outbreak such as this nation has never witnessed.

Any Southern elected official responsible for instigating the Insurrection should have never had the right to hold public office nor his privilege to vote restored. Rewarding via restoring citizenship rights, and or ignoring shameless acts of armed sedition against one's own country should have never been allowed or tolerated if this nation after the Civil War.

Unfortunately you, Stand & the rest of the minuscule minority of bitter malcontents are prime examples of unreconstructed & unrepentant apologists for the pro-slavery Confederate mindset, perpetually & brazenly promoting a deliberately distorted view of pre & post Civil War history all the way up the final nail in the coffin of the Old South during the early and mid-1960's.

The neo-confederate line is anti-American & racist against fellow Americans and will be exposed whenever the barrage of propaganda & out right lies are peddled.

If the same seditious stunt we attempted today as in 1861, you know precisely what course of action the White House & Congress would take in the form of being swift justice for anyone involved in such seditiousness.

"Of course I'm glad slavery ended in the ENTIRE US."

Your statement is contradiction. If the tyrannical Confederate leadership had somehow gained a victory over U.S. forces, including installing the Davis dictatorship in the White House, 'Yankee' show trails for all members of the Lincoln Administration along other leading Union & abolitionists spokesmen, caught behind Rebel lines or captured by.

All former slaves & freemen who had served honourably in the Union armed forces would be ruthlessly hunted down by bands of 'slave catchers', returned to a state of slavery in addition slaves known to have would be made examples of in using the most brutal methods in order to instill absolute fear in the greater slave populations to prevent 'slave uprising' throughout Cotton Inc, border & free states under Confederate occupation and repression.

The broad-based rampage of marauding bands of Confederate raiders would most likely extend all along border states if not well into Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, sections of Pennsylvania and portions of southern & coastal New Jersey, obviously contingent on how thoroughly vengeful Confederate occupation forces were capable of quelling the various populations of formerly free Americans.

However, freedom loving citizens of Northern states not directly scourged by Confederate wrath, nor subdued, would rally with remaining portions of the Federal troops countering the invading hordes of frenzied rednecks, eventually defeating the treasonous enemy within, pushing them back into the swamps of the South.

632 posted on 09/28/2005 9:51:26 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola
Naturally, when a grouping of Southern power brokers for Slavery Inc became totally frantic over losing the White House in the election of 1860's, and then conspire as a criminal enterprise to break away from the rest of the United States, invented a so-called 'government', appointed their own version of a 'president' & cabinet plus schemed coordinated sneak attacks directed at Federal military forts & naval vessels, for the sole purpose of continuing & expanding the totalitarian Slavocracy. I would term those rebellious sore losers as lawlessness traitors provoking bloody insurgency.

"Slavery is founded on the selfishness of man's nature-opposition to it on his love of justice. These principles are in eternal antagonism; and when brought into collision so fiercely as slavery extension brings them, shocks and throes and convulsions must ceaselessly follow."

Abraham Lincoln, 1854

There are a lot of the things about the rebellion that are offensive to the ideals of America, but the motivation for the secession is particularly grotesque. They'd speak noble words about the liberty of man, but their whole motivation was their own selfish aims which were based on the non-liberty of their fellow man. Our American Revolution showed that moral right will endure and triumph over material superiority. Conversely, the quick demise of the rebellion shows that morally flawed causes cannot endure.

647 posted on 09/29/2005 8:51:25 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: M. Espinola
The White House of 1861 was confronted with a domestic terrorist outbreak such as this nation has never witnessed.

You sir, are the epitome of a stark, raving mad lunatic. No Confederate state flew an airplane sailed a ship into a building killing thousands, bombed a PanAm flight, bombed US embassies, bombed the White House, or performed any act that ANY sane person would deem to be an act of terrorism.

The only act that Confederate states did perform was to exercise their God given right (remember the Declaration?) to alter their form of government viz: under a republican form of government as mandated by the Constitution - the Constitution and legislature being the creation of the people, and the states as parties - lawfully acted in convention to dissolve their membership.

... freedom loving citizens of Northern states not directly scourged by Confederate wrath, nor subdued, would rally with remaining portions of the Federal troops countering the invading hordes of frenzied rednecks, eventually defeating the treasonous enemy within, pushing them back into the swamps of the South.

W. T. Sherman [*SPIT*] wrote Lincoln,

The United States has the right, and also the physical power, to penetrate to every part of the national domain. We will remove and destroy every obstacle - if need be, take every life, every acre of land, every particle of property, everything that to us seems proper.
He advoctates the mass slaughter of every living man, women and child in the Confederacy, and that 'Lincoln more than once referred to it with marks of approval.' It was Bin Laden and the true terroists that attacked America that uttered words similar to that expressed by Sherman [*SPIT*] and Lincoln.

And please don't have an apolectic fit because I posted anything in any way derogatory towards your saint. The truth hurts, but it is the truth.

657 posted on 09/29/2005 2:32:04 PM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis!)
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