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Lincoln holiday on its way out (West Virginia)
West Virginia Gazette Mail ^ | 9-8-2005 | Phil Kabler

Posted on 09/10/2005 4:46:12 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

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To: PeaRidge

Just preventing a cybersquatter from grabbing #1000.


1,001 posted on 10/17/2005 2:29:17 PM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis!)
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To: PeaRidge

Just preventing a cybersquatter from grabbing #1000.


1,002 posted on 10/17/2005 2:29:22 PM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis!)
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To: 4CJ

Dang double posts!


1,003 posted on 10/17/2005 2:29:50 PM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis!)
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To: 4CJ

Burn the bandwidth mini!
Congrats!! you got the 1000th.
Another accomplishment in your life and a great one at that.


1,004 posted on 10/17/2005 3:39:41 PM PDT by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: 4CJ

Tu ne cede double posts=10.
Ok Mini?


1,005 posted on 10/17/2005 3:55:31 PM PDT by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: PeaRidge
You have the name of the books and locations so enjoy them.

Actually I have enjoyed them, especially when they support a refutation of the obtuse brand of manure that you've been peddling around here. I'd say the good ship 'Unfair Economic Practices Led the South to Leave' is listing heavily to port and taking on water rather quickly [lol].

1,006 posted on 10/17/2005 10:07:02 PM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: Heyworth
Clearly, from the figures presented in the document you linked to a while back, New Orleans was by far the more important southern port.

For what it's worth, the City of Charleston is one of the oldest seaports in the United States dating back to 1670. At the time of the American Revolution it was the fourth largest city in the Colonies, and several of the wealthiest Americans lived in Charleston at that time. The only impediment to Charleston's establishment of a shipbuilding industry prior to enactment by Congress of the Navigation laws [imo] was the predominantly foppish nature of it's inhabitants.

1,007 posted on 10/17/2005 10:24:02 PM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: mac_truck; PeaRidge

I don't know where you guys find all the time to gather this data / information but it's a good history lesson (some of it seems like minutiae but still worthy of tucking away) so.....thanks


1,008 posted on 10/17/2005 11:39:34 PM PDT by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: PeaRidge
New York outpaced its rivals through good fortune and determination. It was blessed by geography: A large, protected port that remained free of ice throughout most of the year, its closeness to the open sea, and a river that provided it with easy access to a vast hinterland gave it a privileged start. New York's merchants, capital rich and risk taking, used these endowments to good advantage by dredging shallow passages in the harbor, and by forging canals and railroads that enlarged the city's hinterland ever more. But more important in the story of New York's rise than geography or even infrastructure were the commercial enterprises that its merchants built. Here, where the Hudson meets the Atlantic, they fashioned trading houses that connected the British industrial economy to the cotton plantations in the American South. New Yorkers bought cotton in the South for transport to Liverpool, returning in their sailing vessels the bountiful goods of Britain's industry to equip and clothe western farmers, northern workers, and southern plantation owners. Once they drew this trade into their port, it was all but impossible for others to compete. Advantages in trade, in turn, could be translated into other enterprises. Drawing labor from the densely inhabited streets along the East River, manufacturers large and small produced ever more printing presses, carriages, books, and ready-made clothing, supplying not only New York's unrivaled urban market but also much of the rest of the nation. Along the fine boulevards of southern Manhattan just north of the Battery, bankers, insurance agents, and lawyers set up shop and lubricated the machinery of trade and production. Strategically placed at the center of a rapidly growing economy, New York's bankers, manufacturers, and merchants reaped proceeds from the cotton fields of Louisiana, the iron works of Pennsylvania, the sugar plantations of Cuba, and the railroads extended throughout the nation.

Link

The Monied Metropolis: New York City and the Consolidation of the American Bourgeoisie, 1850-1896 -- Read it? Worthwhile?

1,009 posted on 10/18/2005 3:28:26 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Gianni
New York outpaced its rivals through good fortune and determination. It was blessed by geography: A large, protected port that remained free of ice throughout most of the year, its closeness to the open sea, and a river that provided it with easy access to a vast hinterland gave it a privileged start.

The only one of these that doesn't apply to New Orleans is that it doesn't remain free of ice throughout most of the year. It stays that way ALL year.

As for the rest, it simply illustrates that New Yorkers were better capitalists. Ironic from a bunch of people who keep citing Mises. And yet, despite all that, the south had a higher per capita income (by a good chunk) and most of the richest people in the country.

1,010 posted on 10/18/2005 9:30:55 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: mac_truck

Out of facts and using AD Hom attacks?

Try reading and research.


1,011 posted on 10/18/2005 12:33:50 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Gianni
Very good reading, and has some facts that I will note. Thank you sir.

In case you did not see it, among the many sources I have provided to our friends on the great success of New York for the clarification of their errors is this piece from Harvard, address below.

http://post.economics.harvard.edu/hier/2005papers/HIER2073.pdf

Can you imagine the uproar coming from these business owners, employers, politicians, and investor class people upon learning that the Gateway to the West, New Orleans, and the once leading port of the South, Charleston, with its newly dredged harbor that would now accommodate intercontinental shipping, would now be directly receiving European goods, and bypassing them? They must have burned up the telegraph lines to the office of the President.
1,012 posted on 10/18/2005 1:00:21 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: mac_truck

Out of facts and back to the AD Hom attacks again.


1,013 posted on 10/18/2005 1:01:32 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Loud Mime
The only person's birthday we celebrate as a national holiday is Martin Luther King's. The others we share.

The MLK "holiday" is the only one I can't practically defer. It occurs in the final timecard period of the fiscal year. If my project responsibilities make it impossible to take the day off or my hours worked exceeds 80 for the time period, the company just pockets the "holiday" pay. There is no deferral because all unused "holiday" time is wiped off the books at the end of the fiscal year.

The day after Thanksgiving has been an official paid holiday at my current and all former employers for the last 30 years.

1,014 posted on 10/18/2005 1:18:31 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: PeaRidge
Out of facts and using AD Hom attacks?

No, it's quite the opposite I would say. Here's a sampling from some of your recent posts to me.

"...But we all know you are not interested in facts, but ongoing nonsensical bloviations."

"...You seem to confuse obfuscation with rational debate. So, go ahead and enjoy yourself."

"...You always ignore facts running counter to your pantsload posts."

"...refrain from playing the "its quite possible" game...that's for children."

Could it be that you've resorted to these prevarications in order to avoid answering the question...

"If the City of Charleston was funding the dredging project in 1857 [as you have claimed] and had purchased the General Moultrie from New York for that purpose, why was the dredgeboat charging 66cents per cubic yard for the work, and who was paying the bill?"

1,015 posted on 10/18/2005 2:19:28 PM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: jaguaretype
Ok Mini?

Sure Maxi.

1,016 posted on 10/18/2005 3:09:07 PM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis!)
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To: 4CJ

Spot on, Mini.


1,017 posted on 10/18/2005 9:16:15 PM PDT by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: Heyworth
The only one of these that doesn't apply to New Orleans...

That, and the fact that it's twice as far away.

1,018 posted on 10/19/2005 3:43:12 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: mac_truck
Well, let's see how many of your recapitulations apply to your question:

"If the City of Charleston was funding the dredging project in 1857 [as you have claimed] and had purchased the General Moultrie from New York for that purpose, why was the dredgeboat charging 66cents per cubic yard for the work, and who was paying the bill?"

Well, since I already gave you the direct quote which does not prompt your question, then let's include this one: "...But we all know you are not interested in facts, but ongoing nonsensical bloviations."

And since you were presented with Coker's quote and you state it was my claim, then this would apply: "...You seem to confuse obfuscation with rational debate. So, go ahead and enjoy yourself."

And since you still want to continue this argumentative line of questioning, then this fits: "...You always ignore facts running counter to your pantsload posts."

So, it is finally time for you to admit that your reference to H.R. 585 was invalid, and that you have no evidence to refute Coker's statement that Charleston underwrote the project.

Unless, you want to engage in more of: the "its quite possible" game...that's for children."
1,019 posted on 10/19/2005 8:08:19 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Gianni
That, and the fact that it's twice as far away.

From Europe, sure. On the other hand, it's much closer to the southern cotton plantations, and the interior access provided by the Mississippi is superior to that of New York.

1,020 posted on 10/19/2005 8:58:46 AM PDT by Heyworth
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