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Human Brain Still Evolving
Forbes.com ^ | 9/8/2005 | Alan Mozes

Posted on 09/08/2005 5:16:56 PM PDT by Mike Bates

The evolution of the human brain is not quite a done deal, say researchers who've uncovered genetic evidence that man's mysterious gray matter is still undergoing beneficial change.

The scientists make their claim based on the recent evolutionary history of two genes -- microcephalin and abnormal spindle-like microcephaly-associated (ASPM) -- which appear to regulate brain size.

Over thousands of years, both genes seem to be generating new and improved versions of themselves -- beneficial mutations that are spreading rapidly among the human population to reshape and strengthen brain capacity.

"I think a lot of people might consider humans to be at the pinnacle of evolutionary lineage -- that we have achieved an advanced state as a species, and we have basically become the end-game," said study co-author Bruce T. Lahn, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator and assistant professor of human genetics at the University of Chicago. "But what we found indicates that the species -- particularly when it comes to the brain, which is perhaps our most defining feature -- is still evolving."

In the Sept. 9 issue of Science, Lahn and his colleagues report on the results of two genetic analyses -- the first conducted among 90 men and women and a chimpanzee, and the second among almost 1,200 men and women. The participant pools were drawn from 59 ethnic groups from all over the world.

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To: Vision
So I'm curious, do you believe human beings are done evolving?

I believe that the question is nonsensical, because there is no defined direction, goal or "stopping point" for evolution.
121 posted on 09/09/2005 9:42:51 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Vision
This is why I don't trust scientists in general.

...he said, posting on the internet through a computer...

122 posted on 09/09/2005 10:01:54 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Rudder
This evolution thingy must be stopped. Why, if it continues, our generation will, in a million or so years, be regarded as pin heads.

If your generation happens to be the Baby Boomers, you won't have to wait that long for your generation to be thought of as pin heads.

123 posted on 09/09/2005 10:30:35 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: atlaw
Nah. They're too busy complaining about the conspiracy to prevent them from publishing the research they aren't doing to actually do the research they aren't publishing.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

124 posted on 09/09/2005 10:51:19 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Vision
Look at the the association of physicians or whoever they are. They are so anti-gun they have destroyed their creditability.

I agree when associations of scientists take ethical positions, they are overstepping their boundaries as scientists. This is a position I disagree with and don't believe they should take, simply because good physicians are not necessarily good politicians. But if it came to a strict medical issue, believe me, I would take the advice of Association of American Physicians and Surgeons very seriously.

125 posted on 09/09/2005 11:26:35 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: Dimensio
I believe that the question is nonsensical, because there is no defined direction, goal or "stopping point" for evolution

I'll take that as a no, are you a scientist or lawyer?
126 posted on 09/09/2005 11:28:40 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
...he said, posting on the internet through a computer...

So your conclusion is that in order to use and enjoy any technology, you must completely trust every scientist?

Are you a scientist, or a lawyer?
127 posted on 09/09/2005 11:31:15 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: Quark2005
I agree when associations of scientists take ethical positions, they are overstepping their boundaries as scientists. This is a position I disagree with and don't believe they should take, simply because good physicians are not necessarily good politicians. But if it came to a strict medical issue, believe me, I would take the advice of Association of American Physicians and Surgeons very seriously.

Of course, but keep an eye out to keep them honest. Those doctors with the abortion rights group who had the study that said fetuses can't feel pain sure aren't dealing from the top of the deck
128 posted on 09/09/2005 11:34:43 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: PatrickHenry
Human Brain Still Evolving

This is a no-brainer...

129 posted on 09/09/2005 11:54:48 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Vision
Those doctors with the abortion rights group who had the study that said fetuses can't feel pain sure aren't dealing from the top of the deck

I'd be more likely to side with you on this; certain issues (i.e. homosexuality, abortion, etc.) are so agenda-driven on both ends of the spectrum that it's hard to trust any immediate scientific conclusion about them (at least not without more extensive research).

Even if their research is right, there's more to the moral issue of abortion than whether the fetus can feel pain or not; it's an issue of when life itself begins. (Enough about that from me - I have no desire to steer this thread into the abortion issue.)

130 posted on 09/09/2005 12:08:23 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: Mike Bates

131 posted on 09/09/2005 12:21:30 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Dimensio
Your questions were "do you agree?" How can I agree if you won't explain that to which I am agreeing?

That you find you can not answer affiratively to any one of the questions posed reveals that the concepts upon which the simple questions themselves are based may simply be beyond your ability to understand at this time.

Furthermore, since you seem to need more explanation you are simply admitting that you need to better acquaint yourself with thermodynamics.

For starters consult the link on SkyPilot's post #81, and get back to me when you are ready to answer my very simple questions.

132 posted on 09/09/2005 12:51:53 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: Modernman; PatrickHenry
The 2nd law only applies to closed systems. The earth is not a closed system. There is a giant nuclear reactor called the sun outside of the system that pumps more or less an endless supply of new energy into the system.

Not only that, but even if the earth was a closed system, that wouldn't guarantee the combined entropy of all systems on the earth is lower than it was in the past. The combined biomass of all life on earth is so insignificant next to the mass of the Earth that an increase in complexity of life would have no significant effect on its entropy. Even if the biomass itself was a closed system, there's no guarantee that its entropy is lower now than it was at any previous point in evolutionary history. Does 200 lbs. of protozoans have more or less entropy than a 200 lb. person? I don't know. Good luck to anyone trying to measure that!

Sorry about going off, but the whole 2nd Law of Thermodynamics argument is so off-the-wall and ludicrous that it boggles my mind; many creationists even know better than to use it.

133 posted on 09/09/2005 3:14:31 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: Quark2005
Sorry about going off, but the whole 2nd Law of Thermodynamics argument is so off-the-wall and ludicrous that it boggles my mind; many creationists even know better than to use it.

Yes, nevertheless, the granddaddy of all creationist websites, the Institute for Creation Research, has stuff like this posted:
Evolution, Thermodynamics, and Entropy, by Henry Morris. Excerpt:

Not only is there no evidence that evolution ever has taken place, but there is also firm evidence that evolution never could take place. The law of increasing entropy is an impenetrable barrier which no evolutionary mechanism yet suggested has ever been able to overcome. Evolution and entropy are opposing and mutually exclusive concepts. If the entropy principle is really a universal law, then evolution must be impossible.

134 posted on 09/09/2005 3:34:50 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Discoveries attributable to the scientific method -- 100%; to creation science -- zero.)
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To: Agamemnon
That you find you can not answer affiratively to any one of the questions posed reveals that the concepts upon which the simple questions themselves are based may simply be beyond your ability to understand at this time.

Or it might mean that it looked like you were making a faulty assumption about evolution but I wanted to be sure that it was really an error in your understanding rather than an error in my interpretation or a poorly-phrased statement from you so I requested clarification before wading right in.

For starters consult the link on SkyPilot's post #81, and get back to me when you are ready to answer my very simple questions.

SkyPilot merely referred to a link explaining thermodynamics. My question was specifically about how you were presenting evolution, not about thermodynamics. Thermodynamics does not, in any way, address evolution, so his link could not possibly contain an answer to my question (and, upon inspection, it is clear that it in fact does not).
135 posted on 09/09/2005 6:49:46 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Vision
I'll take that as a no, are you a scientist or lawyer?

My specialty is computer science. The extent of my education beyond high school within biological sciences is one intro to psychology course.
136 posted on 09/09/2005 6:56:35 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
lol, I'm a computer scientist myself. Make that ex comsi
137 posted on 09/09/2005 7:00:13 PM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
The best way to approach Truth is science.

With great respect CarolinaGuitarman, I submit to you that Science is nothing more than a study to try and figure out what God did, and how He did it. So is Mathematics's. We brake our arms patting ourselves on the back for discerning what Almighty God has the power to do. But, that is the problem with mankind all the way back to the Garden of Eden--we wish to be our own gods. Hillary Clinton is a good example--and so is every liberal.

On the subject of truth, I must say the bible passage that invokes the greatest thought in me is the conversation between Pilate and Christ. Pilate cynically asked Christ "what is truth?" and then walked away? The reality was he crucified Truth itself.

Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" "Is that your own idea," Jesus asked, "or did others talk to you about me?" "Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?" Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place." "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me." "What is truth?" Pilate asked.

John 18: 33-38

I once heard a conversation a brilliant Christian apologist, Dr. Ravi Zacharias, had with a student at Harvard University who was arguing the premise of A-Theism (or atheism). He related a story he had about a conversation with an atheist at the University of the Philippines. Ravi said that without a moral law giver, there is no morality. Life is meaningless if there is no God. The student stood up at shouted at the top of his lungs:

"Then everything is meaningless!"

Ravi said he didn't mean that, the man insisted he did, and they went back and forth. Dr. Zacharias then said:

ZACHARIAS: "Is what you just said meaningful?"

STUDENT: "Huh?"

ZACHARIAS: "You heard me. Is what you just said meaningful, or meaningless?"

STUDENT: "Uhh....."

I am not the smartest person in the world, far from it. But I'll tell you this: accepting who God is is your choice. Don't believe for one millisecond that your are smarter than Him, or more superior. Your ultimate fate is not determined by your intellect, but by your submission.

So is mine.

http://www.rzim.org/

Take care.

138 posted on 09/09/2005 7:15:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Brake=break


139 posted on 09/09/2005 7:15:49 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Antonello
Please read and peruse this website:

http://www.rzim.org/

Thanks

140 posted on 09/09/2005 7:26:02 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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