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Sandy Berger gets small fine and probation
Rush | 0/15/05 | DeweyCa

Posted on 09/08/2005 12:02:09 PM PDT by DeweyCA

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To: cyncooper
I think the judge bought the argument that this was a one-time event. This is why the sentence is so lenient.

I don't know if I buy it though.
61 posted on 09/08/2005 12:40:34 PM PDT by burzum ("Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people."--Adm Rickover)
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To: DeweyCA

Just think if Sandy Berger had been "so black" and been from NO . . . .

Sometimes it's what you know that keeps you out of the big house.


62 posted on 09/08/2005 12:40:55 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: DeweyCA
This is a disgrace and it means that Top Secret doesn't mean anything.
63 posted on 09/08/2005 12:41:00 PM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Peach

People used to be executed for less.


64 posted on 09/08/2005 12:41:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DeweyCA
"...and equal Justice, for All."

Well... that scratches that one off the list. Anything left of America?

65 posted on 09/08/2005 12:41:33 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: johnb838

Watch out, pointing out that fact according to some means you don't take his crime seriously.

Such is the "thinking" that some actually voice.

LOL


66 posted on 09/08/2005 12:41:58 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: NYleatherneck
50K fine and 2 years probation for espionage. Not bad Sandy......

Seems the Bush Administration isn't very interested in going after spies, is it? Gotta protect each other - professional politicians.

67 posted on 09/08/2005 12:42:09 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: burzum

Um, the judge made the sentence harsher than the prosecution recommended.


68 posted on 09/08/2005 12:42:53 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: dfwgator

I'm just stunned at the light sentence. And as I recall, the deal was that he'd get his security clearance back after three years!


69 posted on 09/08/2005 12:42:54 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: cyncooper
"My undestanding is far superior to your own, I can assure you"

No doubt. You're still here why?

70 posted on 09/08/2005 12:43:13 PM PDT by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, bama...banana rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: burzum
I think the judge bought the argument that this was a one-time event. This is why the sentence is so lenient. I don't know if I buy it though.

1st time caught maybe...
1st time event...NAH!!

71 posted on 09/08/2005 12:43:58 PM PDT by evad ( PC KILLS--NOLA is just the latest example)
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To: burzum

Also, btw, nobody said it was a "one time event". Berger admitted to taking papers on multiple occasions.


72 posted on 09/08/2005 12:45:32 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: NYleatherneck
50K fine and 2 years probation for espionage. Not bad Sandy......

Do we know what kind of assistance he gave the government investigators ?

73 posted on 09/08/2005 12:46:29 PM PDT by oldbrowser (no one is right because no one is wrong)
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To: Natural Law

Berger should be disbarred!!

Where is the free republic petition to have the NY * DC Supreme Courts institute immediate disciplinary actions against his "liawyer's" ticket?


74 posted on 09/08/2005 12:46:35 PM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: subterfuge
You're still here why?

Because it irritates you.

75 posted on 09/08/2005 12:47:19 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: DeweyCA

.......and I got a 36 hour time-out? For this?


76 posted on 09/08/2005 12:49:02 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!)
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To: oldbrowser
Do we know what kind of assistance he gave the government investigators ?

No. Speculation swirled around the news of the July postponement of his sentencing that it was to do with that. Who knows...they've been tightlipped.

77 posted on 09/08/2005 12:49:03 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: bnelson44; Jersey Republican Biker Chick
From my files:

We already know exactly what Berglar took and why...pay close attention to the last para on the Clarke/Kerrick memo. From Ashcroft's testimony:

The NSC's Millennium After Action Review declares that the United States barely missed major terrorist attacks in 1999 — with luck playing a major role. Among the many vulnerabilities in homeland defenses identified, the Justice Department's surveillance and FISA operations were specifically criticized for their glaring weaknesses. It is clear from the review that actions taken in the Millennium Period should not be the operating model for the U.S. government.

In March 2000, the review warns the prior Administration of a substantial al Qaeda network and affiliated foreign terrorist presence within the U.S., capable of supporting additional terrorist attacks here. [My note: AD info?]

Furthermore, fully seventeen months before the September 11 attacks, the review recommends disrupting the al Qaeda network and terrorist presence here using immigration violations, minor criminal infractions, and tougher visa and border controls.

Post #745

It falls directly into the AD timeline. In that same post, I note that what Sandy Berger stole was the versions of the after action report:

The missing copies, according to Breuer and their author, Richard A. Clarke, the counterterrorism chief in the Clinton administration and early in President Bush's administration, were versions of after-action reports recommending changes following threats of terrorism as 1999 turned to 2000. Clarke said he prepared about two dozen ideas for countering terrorist threats. The recommendations were circulated among Cabinet agencies, and various versions of the memo contained additions and refinements, Clarke said last night.

Therefore, they were never provided to the Commission, as evidenced by the Commission Report footnotes (#769):

46. NSC email, Clarke to Kerrick,“Timeline,”Aug. 19, 1998; Samuel Berger interview (Jan. 14, 2004). We did not find documentation on the after-action review mentioned by Berger. On Vice Chairman Joseph Ralston’s mission in Pakistan, see William Cohen interview (Feb. 5, 2004). For speculation on tipping off the Taliban, see, e.g., Richard Clarke interview (Dec. 18, 2003).

And to what does footnote (46) refer? On p. 117, Chapter 4, we find this:

Later on August 20, Navy vessels in the Arabian Sea fired their cruise missiles. Though most of them hit their intended targets, neither Bin Ladin nor any other terrorist leader was killed. Berger told us that an after-action review by Director Tenet concluded that the strikes had killed 20–30 people in the camps but probably missed Bin Ladin by a few hours. Since the missiles headed for Afghanistan had had to cross Pakistan, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs was sent to meet with Pakistan’s army chief of staff to assure him the missiles were not coming from India. Officials in Washington speculated that one or another Pakistani official might have sent a warning to the Taliban or Bin Ladin. (46)
How about that? How many times have we heard Clinton say that he missed Bin Ladin by just a few hours? Yet the after-action report is missing, so the Commission relied on Sandy Berger's testimony.

Then the Clarke/Kerrick memo peaked my interest and I found this (#784):

Clarke was nervous about such a mission because he continued to fear that Bin Ladin might leave for someplace less accessible. He wrote Deputy National Security Advisor Donald Kerrick that one reliable source reported Bin Ladin's having met with Iraqi officials, who "may have offered him asylum." Other intelligence sources said that some Taliban leaders, though not Mullah Omar, had urged Bin Ladin to go to Iraq. If Bin Ladin actually moved to Iraq, wrote Clarke, his network would be at Saddam Hussein's service, and it would be "virtually impossible" to find him. Better to get Bin Ladin in Afghanistan, Clarke declared.


78 posted on 09/08/2005 12:52:47 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: DeweyCA

Interesting/disgusting. Thanks for posting.


79 posted on 09/08/2005 12:52:50 PM PDT by PGalt
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