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Bush joins those opposed to word "refugees"
AP ^ | 9/6/05

Posted on 09/06/2005 3:59:21 PM PDT by Crackingham

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To: Crackingham
"The people we're talking about are not refugees, they are Americans."

I wholeheartedly agree with the President, refugee implies homeless, America is their home. End of story. They are Americans who have come through the other side of Katrina. Call them Americans, call them survivors or call them citizens that have lost their worldly goods but they have not lost their home which is the USA.

41 posted on 09/06/2005 5:21:26 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Iscool

Yes, but those who own their lot will still have their lot. The presence or absence of a structure on the lot would not have a bearing on the idea of 'homeless'. Those who were renting were homeless to begin with.


42 posted on 09/06/2005 6:07:24 PM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: RightWhale

Well I certainly can't dispute that...You are correct...


43 posted on 09/06/2005 7:00:21 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: frogjerk

It's wierd. This issue was really bothering me last week and when I saw the term refugees used on this site, I was going to say something. But then I figured I was being petty.
Glad to see I'm not the only one bothered by the term.

A more accurate term would be Internally Displaced Person - a person who seeks refuge somewhere within their own country. But even IDP doesn't apply to victims of natural disasters.


44 posted on 09/06/2005 7:11:57 PM PDT by elc
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To: Crackingham
Jackson and other black leaders say the word has a criminal connotation

But of course! Most refugees are guilty of treason against the leftist regime they fled. Jesse is a commie. Therefore, to Jesse, the word implies criminality, most refugees having voted with their feet against Jesse's core beliefs.

45 posted on 09/06/2005 7:13:49 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Iscool

Ah, but the Mayor has ordered everyone out and the only way he can do that is to suspend the law of private property. That makes everyone homeless automatically even if they manage to stay in their former house by hiding from the authorities. Imagine being a refugee in your own attic. More of a fugitive without fleeing.


46 posted on 09/06/2005 7:20:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: elc

Might as well mention Ethnic Cleansing to go along with the rest of the gibberish coming out of the leadership.


47 posted on 09/06/2005 7:25:21 PM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: Crackingham

Jesse.... bite me. No, I take that back... bite Nagin.


48 posted on 09/06/2005 8:44:22 PM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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To: Mrs Mark
"So when Bob Dylan was singing about refuge from the storm, he wasn't talking about providing a safe place for someone who needed it."

Bob Dylan doesn't meet my requirements for a philosopher, I'd put him in the same class as the yellow journalists. They both will write whatever they feel will sell, and they both have political agendas fueling their writings. In fact, Dylan is so lost he keeps bouncing from one religion to another like a pin ball, with atheism in between just for variety. He sought refuge from the storm of his own life in a syringe full of heroin.

Providing a safe place for someone who needs it doesn't make one a refugee. Many, many people relocate to seek refuge from danger, from leaving the urban jungle after umpteen muggings to packing up and moving far away from an earthquake prone region. Are they refugees too?

I think the refugees, say, in the Sudan, who are fleeing from genocide into neighboring countries who do not want them might strongly disagree with you and Bob Dylan about who or what is a refugee.

49 posted on 09/06/2005 10:51:41 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
"How about displaced hurricane evacuees?"

Temporarily homeless hurricane victims works for me. There has already been well over FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS allocated to them by government. This does not include the millions of dollars pouring in from private charities.

Calling them refugees is pure hyperbole to help 'sell' the news. Or to make President Bush look like a leader who has forsaken his own people. Take your pick, my guess is that it's both.

50 posted on 09/06/2005 10:57:46 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: Crackingham

However, the President did concede that the desperate voyeurs and cyberstalking creeps at clownposse could still be considered "refugees," due to the pitiful obsession they have with the website that expelled them.


51 posted on 09/06/2005 11:00:14 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg. Gosh I miss her!)
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To: Crackingham
What does he think of the use of the term Vigilantes?
52 posted on 09/06/2005 11:01:23 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Crackingham

I don't think that refugee has a criminal connotation at all. Maybe Jesse got the term confused with "illegal alien".

That said, I do feel that the term refugee implies that the people are different than the rest of us, in a demeaning way, like they are somehow, lesser citizens. I think that the terminology is meant to do that, to accentuate the divisions.

I know the etiology of the word, but in this case I think that we should stick to the current accepted usage as someone who flees a country.


53 posted on 09/06/2005 11:08:21 PM PDT by Eva
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To: TheCrusader
Bob Dylan doesn't meet my requirements for a philosopher,

Dylan is a rather successful word smith. If you cant understand that refuge from the storm, relates to a safe place from life's troubles, then so be it.

54 posted on 09/07/2005 6:40:07 AM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Mrs Mark
"If you cant understand that refuge from the storm, relates to a safe place from life's troubles, then so be it."

Don't know the song, don't care to either. Dylan never impressed me.

55 posted on 09/07/2005 11:48:16 AM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: Crackingham

"Critically displaced citizens"


56 posted on 09/07/2005 11:49:52 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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