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New Orleans - Murder and rape - fact or fiction?
The Guardian ^ | September 6, 2005 | Gary Younge

Posted on 09/06/2005 12:26:57 AM PDT by HAL9000

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To: doc

The world, by and large, sees through the idiocy and fallicy of that bullshit quote.


61 posted on 09/06/2005 8:16:42 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (USA should be studied by StateDept. as a "Foreign Country". Then will see OUR insurgents and chaos.)
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To: HAL9000
And while many claim they happened, no witnesses, survivors or survivors' relatives have come forward.

Urban Legend. TWO things we DO know:
1) The mayor and Governor had NO plan, none.
many residents are scofflaws and or idiots

62 posted on 09/06/2005 8:21:08 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: HAL9000

This author casually avoided the fact that five thugs who attacked (fired shots at) contractors were dropped dead by policemen.

So, toss this article in the trash. More than likely, there is substance to many of the rumors, and eventually we should know the truth. If some girls were raped but not murdred, they will show up in the news soon.


63 posted on 09/06/2005 8:50:31 AM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Where are the rape victims? If a mob of people killed a guy who raped a 14 year old in the Superdome, why haven't one of them spoken up and accepted praise as a hero? We know their was violence and mayhem- there are too many reports from uninterested parties, and we all saw the widespread looting on TV. But we should careful to accept all rumors as facts. This kind of situation, with chaotic communication, is the breeding ground for urban legends- witness Randall Robinson's cannibalism claim. How many people believed him without any other source, and how few of them saw his retraction. You will hear people claim that the people of New Orleans were forced to eat corpses forever, due to his irresponsible rumormongering.


64 posted on 09/06/2005 8:57:49 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
This author casually avoided the fact that five thugs who attacked (fired shots at) contractors were dropped dead by policemen.

The early reports about that said the the police shot and killed the contractors.

65 posted on 09/06/2005 9:31:39 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000; The Red Zone; coconutt2000; Rokke; Nathan Zachary; ChristianDefender; msnimje; Cougar66; ..
For what it's worth:
Bodies found piled in freezer at Convention Center

66 posted on 09/06/2005 9:44:34 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon; HAL9000; The Red Zone; coconutt2000; Rokke; Nathan Zachary; ChristianDefender; ...

Let me see if I got this straight. Guardsman Mikel Brooks escorts Times-Picayune staff writer Brian Thevenot into the freezer at the convention center.

Brian Thevenot reports that Brooks tells him that there is a "7-year-old with her throat cut" in the freezer. Apparently, Mr. Thevenot does not see the girl firsthand, and it's not completely clear if Brooks has seen the girl first hand.

Later in the story Thevenot reports that "Brooks and several other Guardsmen said they had seen between 30 and 40 more bodies in the Convention Center's freezer." But aren't Thevenot and Brooks standing in the freezer when Thevenot writes that Brooks tells him, "Don't step in that blood - it's contaminated?" Doesn't Thevenot see the piles of bodies too? If so why doesn't he just report first hand that there are piles of bodies? What does the Thevenot mean when he writes the that guard "had seen?" Has some ghoul moved them? FEMA maybe?

Then Thevenot recounts the sensational third hand (at least) account that:

"One of the bodies, they said, was a girl they estimated to be 5 years old. Though they could not confirm it, they had heard she was gang-raped."

"There was an old lady that said the little girl had been raped by two or three guys, and that she had told another unit. But they said they couldn't do anything about it with all the people there," Brooks said. "I would have put him in cuffs, stuck him in the freezer and left him there."

I mean is this what passes for journalism now-days? One of the bodies a "they said." Was gang raped by a 2 or 3 men "according" to a nameless old-lady?

I don't know what's more sickening. The possibility that it's true or that someone would print sensational third hand account with even a modicum of fact checking.


67 posted on 09/06/2005 10:16:41 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: sockmonkey
The Convention Center is, I think, attached to the down river end of the Riverfront Mall. All together the Riverfront complex would appear to be more than a mile long combining (or it did) a large mall dozens of restaurants, a large hotel, a casino, and the Convention Center. It was avery pleasant place before last week.
68 posted on 09/06/2005 12:46:43 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: ChristianDefender

"But considering the difficulties inside the Astrodome; hunger, thirst, emotional trauma and more, people could easily thought about almost every wild thing they know."

You mean the Superdome not the Astrodome. BIG difference! Where local authorities actually know what they are doing.


69 posted on 09/06/2005 12:54:40 PM PDT by GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos (HEADLINE:Mayor forgets to tie shoelaces:"It's all Bush's fault!")
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To: HAL9000
Yesterday Donna Brazille told Wolf Blitzer one of her relatives had been raped. I thought that interesting. She couldn't find her handicapped sister, or her Dad, but she knew one of her relatives had been raped. Well, she's now found her sister and her Dad, they are being well cared for, and poor Donna, she's having to deal with entirely too much red tape to relocate them to other subsidized housing.

I thought the entire exchange strange. Mostly because I thought southern black families had a tradition of taking care of their own. I can understand a handicapped sister might be forced to live in assisted living homes, but with nine brothers and sisters, you'd think one of them would have made a home for the Father, or at shared the expense so he didn't have to live his later years on the government dole.

70 posted on 09/06/2005 1:03:46 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@ God Bless President Bush As the MSM and Democrats Seek To Destroy Him.com)
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To: coconutt2000

"No, wait - to be honest, I did get a couple of respectful disagreements from people who heard personally from someone who heard from someone who heard from someone."


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1478597/posts



71 posted on 09/06/2005 1:28:30 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Cougar66

"I read that the NG found a woman who was raped and killed and the guy who did it was beaten to death. Why are they saying it didnt happen? Because they didnt see the bodies?"

Because they don't want to be investigated. It will be hushed up especially if the NOLA police were responsible for the watch before the troops came in. Do you really think the mayor wants the bad publicity?


72 posted on 09/06/2005 1:32:32 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I agree with you 100%.


73 posted on 09/06/2005 1:34:13 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: HAL9000

I really, really wish Mr. Younge was forced to live amongst the New Orleans riff raff.

His skepticism is freaking so AMAZING. In Younge's world the only EVIL SOB on the scene is George W Bush. He refuses to believe the first hand testimony of the many Britons who saw the depravity and cruelty of the NO riff raff first hand.


74 posted on 09/06/2005 1:36:37 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: HAL9000
Yesterday we were informed that Texas A&M would be moving around 200 people from New Orleans into my agency's newly renovated hanger that sits about 50 yards from our primary offices.

Not only are we sure they will destroy our hanger (just spend close to 2 million dollars to totally rebuild it) but we have been instructed to lock up everything that isn't nailed down and make sure no state vehicle has keys in it or that the keys are accessible. The $400,000 in computers, plasma screens, video projectors, touch screens, and other electronics just installed in the hanger have already been written off. Female employees are advised not to go anywhere alone.

75 posted on 09/06/2005 1:42:14 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Cindy Sheehan, Pat Buchanan, John Conyers, and David Duke Are Just Different Sides of the Same Coin.)
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To: The Red Zone

I saw something like Louisiana has the worst penalties of any state for rape. Something like LWOP for first-degree rape. Seems to me if this is true, that's the crime that police would want most to catch.""

Sure sounds good on paper. How difficult is it to prove rape there? I can hear it now--"What was she wearing? What did she say to the perp? What business did she have being where the perp was? How provacative was she? ETC, ETC."
What percentage of rapes get reported-plead down-prosecuted-judged guilty? Not nearly enough.
Children with their throats slit- That is another story. What kind of savages are these people? Please don't ship any of them into my small community. PLEASE.


76 posted on 09/06/2005 1:58:04 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Wooly

Other than looting, in the end it will probably be found that crime was actually down in the New Orleans area. Given the flooded streets and the history of crime in that city, I find it hard that it would be up.""

Who exactly is keeping the records on soggy paper written with a drowned pen on a desk under water???


77 posted on 09/06/2005 1:59:53 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Rokke
I'm not sure which funnier. His ridiculous claims, or the fact that he apparently thinks anybody took them seriously.

In all honesty, there were a number of people here who believed it.


If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.

78 posted on 09/06/2005 2:10:13 PM PDT by rdb3 (I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. --Philippians 4:13)
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To: HAL9000
One large part of this problem is news orgs reporting rumor. Interview Mr. Smith and Mr Smith says his friend told him about his mother, we are left crying about the state of the mother that has no name, that we can't verify. No follow up questions are asked on who his friend or his mother are, names aren't asked, details aren't asked, nada.

Reporting what one person or one source without any knowledge about the source, a bias or perhaps plain old insanity, says they saw without any disclaimer isn't real journalism. One source, often second-hand info is just prone to error.

I have posted several times over the past days that I question some reports. By no means trying to say horrors and traumas have not occurred, this is indeed a disaster, lives have been shattered and lost. But that should not mean that real reporting is disregarded, it means it is needed more then ever.
79 posted on 09/06/2005 3:46:21 PM PDT by FarmerW
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To: Nathan Zachary
I heard the story about the Nursing homes on Nancy Grace the other night.....

yes...the homes and even the hospitals should have done the wise thing and moved all that could be moved without endangering them further.....

why is all of this so obvious....

80 posted on 09/06/2005 4:19:36 PM PDT by cherry
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